townman wrote:i think people are getting carried away with themselfs with the players who are not going in to hurl with the county, i am a birrman and i am not sticking up for Sid yes some of his ideas were mad last year lets look back on old threads eveyone said we were going backwards under Ollie Baker and i remember lads giving out shit about Joe Dooleys term over offaly which i think he done the best job of the lot of them.
While i agree with what your saying. yourself and myself have a right good go at Baker for some real bad decisions when he managed Offaly. The underline Question Why Dooley, Baker and Whelehan are making these decisions. The answer is simple that the county board appointed inexperience managers.
Everyone when they learning a new skill will make mistake. that life.
The idea of a new truck driver turn up on his 1st day driving and be told to reverse an 18 wheeler into a shed. Its a bad idea because he has developed the skills need to do the job.
It the same problem the last 3 Offaly manager have had. They be ask to do something when there management skill are not developed.
We need a course where manager (not coaches) are brought in the the management skill are developed.
townman wrote:Hanniffy and Brady call time on their county days arightly so Kevin Brady can give 100 per cent but his days are number as to were Rory Hanniffys the games against kilkenny and tipp showed as much. lets be fair Ger Healion is the best fullback in the county but do lads think if he was fullback this year again kilkenny the result would have been different, i hear lads looking for Danny Kelligher would he hurl Mick Fennelly or Richie Power out of the game at centre back. i think lads would want to get real and see it as in is, yes k/k are doing well in leinster but that will mean nothing at inter county level
lads looking for Aidan Tracey to be on the team he didn't get a puck of it in the county final and lads want him to hurl again the likes of Richie Hogan.
Every players day are numbered.
If Healion was full back thing could have been any worst??
at least Healion could walk and them we had Hannify for a position out the field. the idea that Kelleaher couldn't hurl Fennelly. So you saying that Morkan Did a good job marking Fennelly?? Could Kelleher have done much worse??
Well Fennelly wouldn't have ran over Kellehar he have to go around him and we could have player morkan in his best position.
Tracey didn't get a puck in the county final. Joe Canning didn't get a puck of the ball in the All ireland replay two years ago. Brian Carroll did't get a puck of the ball in the All ireland Club final. Hanniffy didn't get a puck of a ball in last year county final. none of that make any of them bad hurlers. Tracey ran the Belmont and Clareen games and Clareen midfield destroy Birr and out hurler the Coolderry midfield early in the year.
Tracey has the potential to be any excellent hurler. So yeah give him a chance and see if he can improve and out hurl Hogan. I believe he has the potential to hold his own and a lot more against anyone in the country.
i think myself Sid was mad to go near it, as there has been a core of players in with offaly this last 10 years who lay all the blame at the mangers door, yes Sid will be gone after this year who will it be in 2016 if its Danny Owens it won't be long till he gets it in the neck, i rememer him over the offaly minors and he got alot of abuse them times too. as someone has already said there are plenty of players didn't like who was over them but they still hurl for there county. i know for a fact there has been about 10 hurlers down the years who don't like Brian Cody but still hurling for there county what matter, it would answer some offaly hurlers if they done the same.
Every manager get it in the neck. Cody had Some Kilkenny fan call for his head last year. If you can't handy it don't be a manager. Owens when he was minor manager he wasn't great but he has improved. learned the Skills he need to handle players and got a team around him to bring on the players at his disposable. That why people talk so highly of Dunne and Co.
The point is Whelehan didn't make any progress with Camross. they went backwards. The same happen with Kiltomer.
Owens would get in the neck if he was Offaly manager but you know Cody would get in the neck if he was Offaly manager as well. that the life of a manager.
The difference is that Cody and Owens would have a track record of improve teams to fall back on. That something Whelehan Doesn't have.
I think irrespective of who came in as Offaly manager players would have walked away this year, we're so far behind the big teams that there's nothing to motivate the players to come back!!
I don't agree with this. Offaly Hurlers are a proud bunch of lads. Last year real hurt them. Some won't return cause they don't want to face a year of training and abuse. only to be given no chance by bad and mad team selection by a management team not at the level they should be.
Whelehan at the moment is a bad Club manager with the potential to improve. He shouldn't be managing an inter county team when he hasn't show at an level that he can manage and improve a club team.
Its easy to blame him. yeah it is. Because he is part of the problem. The problem is that we are not given potential Manager the chance to develop their manager skill in the correct way.
Manager that improve there skills are been overlook for the mistake they made when they were learning the job for lads that have never fail within the county cause they never managed within the county.
You talk about 4 Lads from a club not turn up to train with the Footballers. its Disappointing but shows the long term damage a bad manager can do to a county. where players carry a dislike of the county set up for one management into another.
The point been how much damage has last year lack of management skills done to Offaly hurling for the next 10 years and how much will 2015 do if Whelehan and his team are left in charge.