Offaly .v. Cork - SHC Round 1 Qualifier - 4th/July/2009

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Bord na Mona man wrote:
backofthenet wrote: Also how the hell did Conor Mahon stay on the field??
Because he battled hard and won a fair amount of the ball against one of the best half back lines in the game.
The balls that Cork did manage to get weren't won quickly and easily.

For the last five years Offaly have been fleeced by every clearance our defence make getting returned instantly, before the defence can regroup, as we didn't have have forwards to contest them.
Mahon did a good job for Offaly and should become a fixture of the team.
I'd much rather him on the team than a half forward who taps over 3 nice points but gets blown out of it under every dropping ball.
He battled hard true, he won a fair amount of ball true...but did it ever amount to anything no!

The reason we have been blown out against other half back lines is because we usually have at least one small player (brian carroll) on the line who is utterly useless under a dropping ball. But there are plenty of other big men in the county that could have filled Mahons position, even a few from his own club like Eamonn Lee etc, at least they would be able to take their chances when they come.

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As frustrating as ever in Tullamore on Saturday night. They way our heads dropped when the second goal went in was the most disappointing thing of all. When we maintained the intensity of the game we were able to more than hold our own. Backofthenet mentioned Dublin KK as an example of the complete opposite happening. I was in Croke Park yesterday and the difference in attitude between Dublin and Offaly when the second (and fatal) goal went in was palatable. Dublin chased and harried right to the 72nd min especially their forwards closing down KK when in possession of the ball. Partly attitude in the face of adversity was the difference between a 6 point defeat for them and a 13 point defeat for us the other component in defeats is basic fitness both aerobic but also upper body strength. I know it’s hard for boys spend the winter pumping iron and making sacrifices in their personal lives without the incentive of real success at the end of the summer. But until we are at an equal level of fitness to the top teams we will never get to the point that we will turn them over. For the last 5 mins yesterday Dublin stayed 2 scores off KK, while it was unlikely that they were going to win they still put themselves in a position that it was not impossible. For the last 5 mins against Cork ……

One other observation on the Dublin KK game that maybe did not come across on TV. At the end of the game yesterday all the Dublin supporters stood up and clapped their players off the field. They could see that their players had given it all they had and had lost nothing in defeat. It was strange but pleasant to see them get more vocal encouragement in defeat than Kilkenny got in victory. Sometimes sport is as much about performance as results, there are some defeats that can be built on and don’t have to set you backwards.
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I think Mahon did more than enough to give Offaly a platform in attack.
He proved an effective ball winning half forward against one of the the best half back lines ever seen.

Henry Shefflin in his heyday could win ball, jink away from his man and take a score, just because Mahon didn't do all of the above in his 2nd championship start for Offaly doesn't mean he should be scrapped.
How often times did John Power or Brendan Lynskey conjure up a score from start to finish?

The bigger issue here is that Offaly don't yet have a gameplan based around actually winning primary possession in the half forwards. There was never anyone on Mahon or Joe Brady's shoulder to take the lay off.
Eoin Larkin reeled off scores against Galway by timing his run to come onto the sideways pass from the primary ball winner. In fact the Offaly goal was one of the few occasions where the Offaly forwards got any decent overlapping runs set up and managed to drag the Cork backs out of position.

This is understandable too. After years of our backs and goalie feeling like they were hitting their clearances off a handball wall, it is too much to expect a well developed system of attacking play.
Cork and Kilkenny have been playing an evolved system of support play for years now. Offaly have never the runway in this regard.

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Efan wrote:As frustrating as ever in Tullamore on Saturday night. They way our heads dropped when the second goal went in was the most disappointing thing of all. When we maintained the intensity of the game we were able to more than hold our own. Backofthenet mentioned Dublin KK as an example of the complete opposite happening. I was in Croke Park yesterday and the difference in attitude between Dublin and Offaly when the second (and fatal) goal went in was palatable. Dublin chased and harried right to the 72nd min especially their forwards closing down KK when in possession of the ball. Partly attitude in the face of adversity was the difference between a 6 point defeat for them and a 13 point defeat for us the other component in defeats is basic fitness both aerobic but also upper body strength. I know it’s hard for boys spend the winter pumping iron and making sacrifices in their personal lives without the incentive of real success at the end of the summer. But until we are at an equal level of fitness to the top teams we will never get to the point that we will turn them over. For the last 5 mins yesterday Dublin stayed 2 scores off KK, while it was unlikely that they were going to win they still put themselves in a position that it was not impossible. For the last 5 mins against Cork ……
Fair point.
It crossed my mind when the second Kilkenny goal went in, that if it were Offaly playing them, the next 6 scores would have gone to Kilkenny.
Dublin stuck to their gameplan all through though. Offaly suddenly changed tack and passed over on 3 or 4 point scoring opportunities trying and walk in goals on Saturday.
My feeling is that after a sucker punch like a goal goes in, you do your utmost to get the next score or two to break the momentum. Keep the scoreboard ticking over with points and try and regain a foothold in the game again.
When heads start dropping like Offaly's do, it only gets worse when you start trying to get goals and fail.

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I don't pretend to be a hurling expert but one thing that I noticed on the Offaly game and the Leinster Final was Dublin's ability to stick with Kilkenny could be largly attributed to their comparable (if not better) physical stature.

The Dublin lads were bulging out of their jerseys and they were winning their fair share of the dirty, messy ball that broke down and needed to be fought for. If Offaly won %20 of those balls on Saturday I'd be surprised.

It's the same for the hurlers as it is for the footballers by the looks of it. Each one of those players needs to sit down and say "what can I, as an average to good inter-county player do, to push myself on that extra bit" and go out and do it. And for a lot of our inter-county players that means hitting the gym hard, and properly, over the winter.
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Contrast Anthony Daly and Joe Dooley, After the Leinster final yesterday Daly wasn't interested in back slapping and moral victories. You could see the visible disappointment in his face with not winning that game yesterday whereas on the Sunday game last night Dooley comes out with the oul tosh of ''I'M PROUD OF THE PLAYERS'' after a 13 point hammering. I felt like throwing the tea cup at the blasted telly. HOW THE HELL COULD ANYONE WITH ANY SCRAP OF AMBITION POSSIBLY BE PROUD OF SUCH A BEATING. When players hear guff like this from their so called leader how the hell are they expected to push themselves harder and make themselves better. I bet my bottom dollar Anthony Daly will leave no stone unturned in making sure his Dublin side cut out the silly mistakes he was talking about yesterday to overcome the quarter final hurdle that awaits them. I guess the difference between a winner and a man that accepts what he is given was seen for all and sundry over the weekend.

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Most of my thoughts on this game have been covered by the posters above so I won't bother repeating them, however I too would have to say that I felt Conor Mahon was one of our best performers on the day and I can't understand posters picking him out as not worth his place. There isn't a hurling county in Ireland who wouldn't worry about securing possession against the Cork half back line, and yet Mahon caught plenty of clean ball direct from the puckout and caused problems when he ran at the Cork back line. He got in more than his share of hits and tackles, and while he isn't "crafty", of our crafty hurlers up in the forwards, only Shane Dooley made any kind of impact. It was no coincidence that it was Derek Molloy and Joe Brady who also stood out up there, guys who, like Mahon, took the fight to Cork, albeit for a while.

I think that if Conor Mahon gets a good winter of strength and fitness work behind him and gets to work on his touch and distribution against good hurlers in division one next spring, I expect him to improve considerably and I'd certainly give him that chance.
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Lone Shark wrote:Most of my thoughts on this game have been covered by the posters above so I won't bother repeating them, however I too would have to say that I felt Conor Mahon was one of our best performers on the day and I can't understand posters picking him out as not worth his place. There isn't a hurling county in Ireland who wouldn't worry about securing possession against the Cork half back line, and yet Mahon caught plenty of clean ball direct from the puckout and caused problems when he ran at the Cork back line. He got in more than his share of hits and tackles, and while he isn't "crafty", of our crafty hurlers up in the forwards, only Shane Dooley made any kind of impact. It was no coincidence that it was Derek Molloy and Joe Brady who also stood out up there, guys who, like Mahon, took the fight to Cork, albeit for a while.

I think that if Conor Mahon gets a good winter of strength and fitness work behind him and gets to work on his touch and distribution against good hurlers in division one next spring, I expect him to improve considerably and I'd certainly give him that chance.

He didnt cause one problem for the cork back line...why?? Because after about ten minutes they realised he couldnt hurl, if i was playing in the Cork backline i wouldnt have bothered even picking him up he was so bad. Missing chance after chance from 40 yards out, sometimes not even reaching the goal from that distance.

Now Im not ruling out his chances of becoming a fixture in the Offaly team, but he deserved to be first off the team imo on saturday. He needs to do about 2 years intensive hurling to work on simple things like lifting, striking, hand-passing, accuracy. In fairness the lad has everything else. He doesnt need to build on strenght and fitness, he needs to do a good 2 winters at just getting some skill...

No use having athletes if they dont have the hurling brain needed to be "cute" on the ball as you say. this is a thing that could and should be worked in training. Perhaps there was no movement for a pass, but he is a big enough man to be able to keep possesion for a few seconds and pick one out! Or even take a run at the defence to draw a free.

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I don't buy that at all.
I think a backline has problems if it isn't winning ball and clearing them, full stop.
Imagine if O'hAilpin, Curran and Kenny spent the evening spraying balls back at the Offaly defence.
How many more goals would Aisaike have gotten had 3 or 4 more balls landed into him?

When I was advocating Mahon for the half forward line a few weeks ago, one thing I said was inevitable would be supporters getting on his back because of the final product.
The player who never actually puts himself in the firing line seems to get off likely because he never makes the obvious mistake for people to pick on. He'll be the easy target like Ger Oakley was for years.
Imagine the reaction if Mahon actually played badly?

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However as was pointed out earlier in the thread, even if Mahon was utterly unable to score, his ability to win the ball meant that he made a much more positive contribution in that if we did eventually turn over possession, it wasn't on just short of midfield, meaning that the ball was coming right back on top of our full back line. Of course it would be great if he could take scores too, but Brian Carroll can take scores, and yet he was unable to because he couldn't get near the ball.

Edit: - BnaM man pretty much said the same thing, and better than I did too.
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I think people are very hard on Mahon he was a constant threat as was Molloy when he ran with it but his distribution was awful. Dolley did well but questions must be asked of Carroll he is completely of the boil.
Murphy Franks and Hanniffy also looked tired and sluggish which is unlike them.

Also big question remains over Kenny as a top class full back he is to easily turned also will need a lot of work over the winter to build himself up dont get me wrong he is a good hurler but not as good as people make out.

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Some valid points have been made so far so I'll just contribute with a few of my own.

1. The season is not yet over. Tough relegation battles remain and their importance can not be over estimated. At whatever cost, Offaly’s Liam Mc Carthy status for 2010 must be retained

2. This was an extremely disappointing result and the very reason this draw was the one to avoid. While in our hearts of hearts we all knew a win may have been bridge too far, at least we could have hoped to be competitive over 70 mins. This was not case and makes for a winter of soul searching ahead.

3. The comparison with Dublin is very valid. Once Offaly fall 6-7 points down during a game there seems to be inevitability about the final beating been something in the region of 12+ points. The manner in which heads drop is palpable and stems from a clear lack of belief on the players part. Just two weeks ago, Clare staged a great comeback against Tipperary to only loose by two points. Why are Offaly rarely (the Waterford game last year being the only notable exception) capable of doing the same? Mental training, more so than physical, must be the number one priority over the winter.

4. The difference in attitude after yesterday's games between Anthony Daly and Joe Dooley is interesting to say the least.

5. Second half fadeout. Again. How many times in the last number of years had this occurred? Mental and to a lesser extent physical training is needed to prevent this.

6. The forwards inability to score. Again. The recurring theme and Achilles heel of 2009. Granted they were up against an impressive Cork backline but our inability to score points from 40 yards out is a serious issue and ultimately is what is separating us from the big teams. On Sunday alone, how many shots from 40+ yards dropped harmlessly short, wide or into Cusack’s hand? A lot of these were hit without any real conviction, again highlighting the lack of belief in the team. Compare this to the point scoring ability shown by Kilkenny against Galway and it’s clear how far we have to go. In both Conor Mahon and Joe Brady we have two ‘big men’ yet neither, especially Brady, is a prolific scorer. Add this to the fact that Derek Molloy is also of the more working, battling, variety (a job he does very well) and it’s clear that we are seriously lacking in firepower up front. Off the three forwards remaining (Carroll, Bergin, Dooley) none of these are setting the world alight so changes for next year have to be made. This is where Dylan Hayden and especially Diarmuid Horan come in for 2010. We have to get to the stage where we can look at the six forwards and on any given day see 16+ points coming from them. In addition no forward line can support both Brady and Mahon. Mahon easily gets my vote, with practice he has potential. Finally, I thought Colm Coughlan did well when he came on (eventually!), he showed some nice pieces of skill in scoring his two points and as such deserves more of a run next year.

7. The play of the forwards. All naturally ability aside, the forwards seemed to lack any real plan to create space and overlaps among the Cork backs. Mahon caught too many balls only to be surrounded by a sea of red. The resulting, often desperate, handpass was more often than not intercepted. The support play was non-existent. So a proper cohesive role for each forward, in other words a system of play, is what is badly needed for next year. Cork are an example of how to achieve this.

8. Aisaike O’Halpin. Turning out to be a very useful hurler and a brute to mark but Cork’s tactics on how to use him were spot on while our response to said tactics was poor. Cork, in the second half especially, pulled both of their corner forwards way out the field, thus operating with a one man full forward line and giving Aisake plenty of space which he used to great effect, especially for his second goal. We did nothing about this obvious ploy until it was too late. The solutions are many but one was on view in the Kilkenny-Galway game two weeks ago. Following Joe Canning’s first goal for Galway, Kilkenny dealt with him by having JJ Delaney marking him directly with John Tennyson dropping back and standing in front of Canning. Thus Canning was double marked and was as well contained for the remainder as could be hoped for a player of his ability. Offaly needed to do something similar on Saturday and will need to be wiser in the future.

9. David Franks was clearly injured yet was left on the field for a further five minutes. During this time Cork’s second goal was scored.

10. The Offaly half back line contained three Birr players, none of whom currently play in those positions for Birr. Dylan Hayden did well but like Diarmuid Horan is more naturally a forward. The only reason both him and Horan are competent in the backs is because both are so naturally talented. Provided Hayden commits himself in the proper manner, both him and especially Diarmuid Horan (can not emphasise this enough for Horan) should be played in the forwards. Really, this is absolutely vital for 2010 and could be the key to Offaly becoming an much better team.

11. Division One next year is crucial. We need to find out, and quickly at that, how good or bad Stephen Wynne, Del Morkan, Eanna Muphy, Eddie Bevans, Colm Coughlan, Mark Egan, Colin Egan and few more (especially from the U-21’s) are. The team in its current state is nowhere near the finished article; next spring needs to be used to see if the above players can be used to bring Offaly to the next level. However such experimentation should not drag on for too long, nor should it be just for the sake of it, ideally one would like to have a settled team coming in to the championship and relegation from Division One is something to avoid. Dublin’s performances in the 2009 League are something we would do well to mimic.

12. Our support on Saturday was useless and completely outnumbered both in the stand and the terrace by the Cork fans. Shameful really. Our collapse in this regard over the course of the decade has been shocking to say the least and stems from our lack of success and indeed competitiveness. However this lack of support then makes it that bit more difficult for the players to achieve victory and so a vicious circle develops. My blame and anger lies squarely on the supporters, their apathy and their laziness. Put simply, if you live in Offaly and won’t travel to Tullamore watch your county hurlers play to watch a Championship fixture after all of the time and effort they give then you are not a GAA supporter. Naturally finances and genuine excuses are precluded from this belief.

13. This decade really has been 10 years to forget. Looking at the evidence, results have not this poor since the sixties. We are by no evidence a top eight team and indeed we have not been competitive against the top three or four teams for some time now. It has resulted in a collapse in the Offaly support and a developing disinterest in the county. It is worrying to say the least. When assembling the panel for 2010, the management would do well to attempt to turn this in into a strength in telling the players that the 2000’s are over and 2010 marks the beginning of a new decade, a new mindset and a new era.

14. Oh yes, before I forget: Rory Hanniffy really should be playing at midfield.
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Here was the preview from Arrigle on kkcats btw.
Some interesting points made.
The one about Kenny getting on the wrong side was prophetic.
He was almost caught out a few minutes before the goal as well, where it looked like he had taken his eye off the flight of a ball that curled in the wind.

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BETWEEN THE LINES: Cork-Offaly Preview

by Arrigle » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:28 pm
BETWEEN THE LINES
Back To Tullamore

O’Connor Park again, Saturday evening again. Context rather different. Do or die time.

The do do do, the die die die. Whimsy forever has its attractions when a match fails to catch the public’s imagination. No television for this meeting between Cork and Offaly is a factor. So, in spades, is a certain resignation about the result. Even home support seems to have little expectation of their side being competitive, let alone of them snatching a win. The recent screening on TG4 of magnificent All-Ireland semi-finals between the counties in 1999 and 2000 only served to emphasize Faithful hurling’s current divorce from anything remotely approaching that standard of play. Hopefully, and not too far down the line, Offaly men will be interviewed after winning a Senior All-Ireland. They will say that seeing those semi-finals changed their mind about what could be achieved in the jersey. The past can irrigate the future if present minds are open.

Truthfully, why might their supporters keep faith? Offaly should have beaten Wexford in their recent Leinster quarter-final. Given the Slaneysiders’ serious deficit in personnel through injury, given the inherent weaknesses subsequently exposed by Dublin, there is scant excuse for the failure. Home advantage in Wexford Park or no home advantage, the Midlanders bottled it. With ability there, mentality went awol.

This logic is impeccable. Painfully, it spools into damning hypothesis. Had Offaly beaten Wexford, they might well have taken Dublin. A decent performance against Kilkenny in the Leinster Final — 60 minutes instead of 2008’s 40 minutes — and Joe Dooley’s charges would have been in fine fettle for an All-Ireland quarter-final. These games would have allowed a new side canvass various grooves for sources of maximum traction. Late July made, what county would they fear? Not even Cork, in truth. If ever a chance was missed, it was missed in Wexford Park.

It sometimes appears to me that Offaly hurling still labours under the myth of winning All-Irelands with a cigarette in one hand and a large bockle in the other. Time’s whirligigs do not stint. Pure cool soon becomes pure mule, with nonchalance a lumpy rucksack on the tread uphill. The U21s’ lack of preparation for this summer’s encounter with Kilkenny, one there to be won, indicated the myth now has an institutional frame.

As per banality’s grin, we are where we are. This evening, Cork come on something of an expedition to Tullamore. The Leesiders will reckon they can arrive up in relative safety and feel out some answers to important questions. These queries centre on full-back, midfield’s coherence, possession at half-forward, and the ability to score more goals.

Their full-back line is an obvious emphasis. Eoin Cadogan did far better than expected against Tipperary at number 3. The departure of Diarmuid O’Sullivan, larger than life and slower, latterly, than Lot’s wife, inevitably meant hullaballoo. Same time, while Cadogan was assured, there was his display’s context. Micheál Webster is a very limited hurler — so much so that he longer appears, on evidence of the Clare match, to be part of Tipp’s live panel. Webster has few accoutrements beyond physical presence. Now that Eoin Kelly looks glued to the ground, his presence has lost its rationale. If Cadogan deserved credit in measure, this ratio tended to get lost in sheer relief.

Less obviously, Webster tends to shoot his bolt in contesting the initial ball. If the defender can prevent him gaining immediate possession, his threat sharply recedes because his reflexes are so blunt. This reality means that the corner-backs can largely stay with their men and let the full-back hurl away. Joe Bergin, Shane Dooley and Derek Molloy, each man a better hurler than Webster, might well see some duty at full-forward this evening. Delivered decent ball, these figures, who would run at Cadogan, would be a more exacting test of a full-back. But will there come decent ball?

It is Joe Brady who is named at full-forward. Only orthodox grip obscures his status: a cumbersome mullocker. Playing Brady on Cadogan for more than five minutes is essentially repeating the Webster experiment in another jersey. Where would lie the sense in this effort? Offaly are not well fixed overall but Bergin is the man for this job. As appeals, he could swap for spells with Molloy at left half-forward.

Part of Offaly’s problems up front is the presence of three strongly backhand-inclined hurlers as first choices: Brian Carroll, Daniel Currams and Shane Dooley. Result? Too many candidates for right side of attack. This time, Currams is out with injury. Carroll never really looks a wing-forward because he is not fond of doing the work, running the hard yards. Coherence? Carroll at top of the right. As noted, Bergin’s best position is full-forward. Besides, Offaly will need at least two goals to win — and likely three. Bergin, blondest friend of the green flag, should stand square’s edge. Well able to contest broken ball, he will pose a different sort of challenge to Cadogan than a Mid Tipp footballer.

Shane Dooley, better off his right side than Carroll, can play top of the left. The two of them need to make up their mind about taking on Shane O’Neill and Shane Murphy. While O’Neill is a fine stickman and excellent on his feet, Aidan Fogarty demonstrated last August that the Bishopstown clubman is far from a natural corner-back. Murphy is trying to cement himself on the team and tends to commit himself a little too much in his first tackle. Carroll needs to take some grief and press on. He is no longer the youthful ex-boarder at St Kieran’s College, with everything in front of him. Recent match reports have been a’waiting.

Last Wednesday, Colm Keys in the Irish Independent paid the Cork half-back line a notable compliment. Keys wrote: “the old triumvirate of half-backs, when they are shaken and stirred, are as good as any other trio around, Tommy Walsh et al included”. The omelette, whiffy, has started to escape the pan for both eye and nose. Last August’s meeting with Kilkenny, when it boiled, floated this line’s egg, indicating said Rebel trio had passed their sell by date.

Individually and collectively, John Gardiner, Ronan Curran and Seán Óg Ó hAilpín were generally excellent for around five seasons. 2008 indicated the need for review. There was the tactical naivety of trundling out into midfield on their own puckouts, a trait evident in 2009 in the first half against Tipperary. There is likewise the case that Gardiner now looks insufficiently adept facing his own goal to play at wing-back. Curran, always loose, is now insufficiently dominant to compensate for this lack. Ciarán McGann, a more effective stopper, might presently be the better option at number 6. Ó hAilpín is in the twilight of a great career and now struggles with anyone physically strong enough to stick it out with him.

While these three hurlers, individually and collectively, might come back good for a spell, it is increasingly difficult to see Cork winning another All-Ireland with them in situ. Gardiner would be best deployed as a defensive midfielder, with Tom Kenny at right half-back. Kenny could come for ball that lands behind Gardiner, with the Na Piarsaigh man filling in, needs be, at wing-back. Equally, if Denis Walsh as manager wants to play a more direct game, utilizing Aisake Ó hAilpín’s presence at full-forward, Gardiner’s close striking might well be an excellent needle for darning this pattern. No surprises if these placements occur this evening.

Conor Mahon has the makings of a good centre-forward and must be allowed mature in the spot’s cask. His distinctive style — upright but stooping into the strike — is well physical enough for number 11. In time, Molloy and himself could be two thirds of an effective half-forward line. Currams or Cathal Parlon, injuries avoided, will typically be on the right side for the moment. This evening, Joe Dooley should set Joe Brady slogging with Ó hAilpín, hoping he might might offload a couple of dangerous balls inside to a runner.

Injuries likewise prevent Offaly fielding their strongest midfield, Rory Hanniffy and Brendan Murphy. The colours’ most accomplished hurler this good while, the former man should be as centrally involved as possible. As well as having the legs to move and the wrists to strike in equal measure, Hanniffy has the intelligence to make midfield possession count. Murphy, experienced and able to take a point, can act as a spearhead for pushing out of midfield’s precincts. As named, Offaly go with Kevin Brady as Murphy’s partner. He has far less to offer and is not that much better a hurler than his brother. Personally, I would chance him at wing-back, with Paul Cleary at centre-back and Hanniffy in midfield.

Tadhg Óg Murphy’s introduction at midfield was the big surprise in the Rebel selection. Might be that it is another effort at moving the ball quicker in this sector since Murphy is a good stickman. Might be that Gardiner-Murphy is being felt out as a potentially nice balance.

The moot point about Cork half-forward lines for six seasons is their ability to harvest puckouts. The hay made last weekend by Kilkenny on Galway’s short puckouts illustrated this issue’s importance. Ostensibly, Jerry O’Connor is retreaded as a wing-forward. But how would he fare under the puckout? We already know Timmy McCarthy is no master in this regard. We suspect Tadhg Óg Murphy has no forte on this front. Hence Pa Cronin’s presence at centre-forward. But is Cronin mobile enough, focused enough, for centre-forward? Against Rory Hanniffy’s nous? This selection might well be sufficient in the end against Dylan Hayden, Hanniffy and Paul Cleary. Yet you would not bet the ranch against Offaly, if the half-backs play well, achieving a measure of dominance here. If so, this factor could give their inside forwards a chance. The Faithful need to get a lot more out of Cleary, who appears far better suited to a central position. It could even be that David Kenny plays at centre-back.

With Kieran ‘Fraggy’ Murphy named at left corner-forward, Cork look a bit workmanlike down that side. David Franks, if sufficiently recovered, should cope. David Kenny must not repeat the mistake — going to the full-forward’s wrong shoulder — on good deliveries that allowed Stephen Banville a brace of goals. Given his remarkable height, Aisake Ó hAilpín is oddly unconvincing on high balls. That said, he has excellent reach due to his ‘wingspan’ and can spin into dangerous positions. He was only a couple of misjudged handpasses away from setting up two goals against Tipperary. The Rebels’ score in 2007’s qualifier meeting with Offaly (1-27) evinces how difficult they have found a three- or four-goal haul even when in total control. The idea must be that Ó hAilpín can succour in this regard by clicking with runners from half-forward. All things being equal, Leeside will outpoint their opponents this evening. Yet there will always be a caveat when one goal, if one at all, looks the most likely haul. Two opposition goals can make it tight.

At top of the right, Ben O’Connor will hurl his usual neat controlled game and Michael Verney, all things being equal, will struggle. James Rigney is a loss. Ger Oakley is a loss. If Verney follows his man, it vacates inviting space into which other forwards can move. Out the field, Offaly will need to work like dogs to prevent the controlled ball that facilitates this type of movement.

The Cork forwards do not look that potent as yet. Even weakened by injury, it is not impossible to imagine Offaly’s back six doing alright in their battles. The red query is the ability of their midfield and half-forwards to staunch nice ball in for most of 70 minutes. If Cork get a run on Offaly for 15 minutes, they will run up 1-9 or 2-8. As such, in light of slackness against Wexford, there is no split in judgement that ultimately favours the home side. If they need substitutes, they will have to turn to Derek Morkan and Éanna Murphy at the back, to Colm Coughlan and Eddie Bevans up front. These men, however promising in part, are all very inexperienced and it is very hard to make a case for them changing the game’s course.

Conversely, Cork have a host of plausible substitutes. These options range from talented tyros such as Pat Horgan, Fintan O’Leary, Conor O’Sullivan and Paudie O’Sullivan to seasoned figures such as Kevin Hartnett, Niall McCarthy, Ciarán McGann, Cathal Naughton and Neil Ronan. The efficacy of these names can be doubted on various criteria. Undoubtable? Offaly’s lack of equivalent roster. Cork, if in difficulty up front, have means of rerouting the dynamic. Hard to go against this factor.

So, do or die time. With ‘Don’t Stand So Close To Me’ still a karaoke favourite for the Faithful’s forwards, cold punditry whistles. Offaly in the tumbrel as the revolution years fade to grey.

Something like 2-21 to 1-15.


Colm Keys, ‘Rebels Roused Into Life’, Irish Independent ~ Sport (1 July 2009), pp. 2-3.

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That write up was fairly spot on alright .In a challange game couple ofweeks ago kenny got a bad roosting and cleary had to go full back .I thought it was bloody obvious that cleary should start full back and try kenny center .How many times was cleary beaten in there over the years ,he mightnt be the all action full back but against ohailpin would be better suited in there than kenny .Could never understand the thinking of taking him out of there .I never rated conor mahon but jeasus lads i rather have a trier than a windy carroll ( spent the last two weeks in the media mouthing ) and bergin .Is there a law with joe dooley that bergin can`t be taken off .He`s not even producing it for clareen .The amount of times he stood back and let brady ,molloy & mahon do the donkey work and poking in the hurley like a little girl .Sorry i`m wrong there a girl would show more balls .
The talk saturday night was that dooley wasn`t the answer ,but while i could never stand him in fairness no matter who is over this lot ,you can do all the running you like but if you can`t put the ball over the bar from forty yards ,then it doesn`t matter who the trainer is .
All the hurling with club & county over the last few years are taking its toll on hanniffy ,he`s lost two yards of pace .I don`t buy in to this lack of fittness thing ,it`s a lack of winning thats the problem .Every one knows outside of county that mentally we are weak ,the wexford match proved that .Look at our club hurling .I made a point on a previous post that barry whelahan was the best midfielder and simon the best center forward within the county ( not saying they should be on county team but a reference to what else is around in our club scene ).People dissagreed ,which i`m dumfounded with .If those gobshites bottered to go to the club games they realise offaly hurling is in serious trouble .jeasus murphy wouldn`t tie barry w. shoe laces and simon is regularly gets more scores from play than the compared to most forwards . The point is that shows us where we are at .
The excuse of give them time , they are still young ,has come and gone ,they are old enough now . And this thing of it`s still been a good year because we are in division one is pure shite talk ,not much good if antrim beats us and that could easily happen .

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Some great points here. Underage is the key

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