Offaly Under 20s hurling 2024

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greenairfield wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:20 pm Heard he's way off making the team.
Heard similar.
Conor Doyle would be a massive boost to have back, anyone know if he is far off? Hurled a bit in goals with UL freshers this year due to injury.

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greenairfield wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:20 pm Heard he's way off making the team.
Because he is injured . The poor lad has a few setbacks with the hand injury he sustained last year Would be on the team if he was fit and available . I’d imagine Marcus Dalton and Niall Furlong will come back on the panel when the football is over looking at the game last week we could do with their physicality.

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Looking at Galways team only one featured vs limerick in the senior league

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Versus the team that started vs Dublin:

Diggy Hand starts, replacing Patrick Taaffe. Few positional changes to accommodate this.

Ravenhill out which is a blow, replaced by Leigh Kavanagh.
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Ravenhill a big loss makin a mammoth task much bigger. Confidence will be high though after a surprise win in Parnell park, while we won't win the game we have home advantage and poor weather conditions to close the gap and being reasonably competitive against the likes of Galway will build confidence for these lads joining the senior ranks over the next few years, will build confidence for those teams coming after them also. Let's hope the lads can give it their all and we get a big performance.

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joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:15 am Confidence will be high though after a surprise win in Parnell park, while we won't win the game.
Why won't we win the game today? And why was the result in parnell Park a "surprise" ?

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JimBwobb wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:55 am
joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:15 am Confidence will be high though after a surprise win in Parnell park, while we won't win the game.
Why won't we win the game today? And why was the result in parnell Park a "surprise" ?
We're playing Galway? We were playing Dublin in Parnell park? Any day any Offaly team beat any Dublin team in Parnell park is a surprise and very difficult to beat Galway regardless of what happened at minor, this is completely different. I think we'll have a right go to at it, these lads are a fantastic bunch of lads and really give all to the cause and most of them will contribute hugely to the seniors over the years.

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joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 am
JimBwobb wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:55 am
joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:15 am Confidence will be high though after a surprise win in Parnell park, while we won't win the game.
Why won't we win the game today? And why was the result in parnell Park a "surprise" ?
We're playing Galway? We were playing Dublin in Parnell park? Any day any Offaly team beat any Dublin team in Parnell park is a surprise and very difficult to beat Galway regardless of what happened at minor, this is completely different. I think we'll have a right go to at it, these lads are a fantastic bunch of lads and really give all to the cause and most of them will contribute hugely to the seniors over the years.
What makes it completely different? Mostly the same group of lads that we’ve been to all ireland finals with 2 years in a row. Galway with a poor recent record at this age grade.
No need to fear them, although we are marginal outsiders which is fair enough.

The Dublin win wasn’t a surprise to anyone except you

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Its hard to know at this level because a lot depends on who is in with their seniors. I don't think offaly winning was a surprise in parnell but you couldn't be sure of the win which is normal at this high level. Last year the offaly vs galway game had a cavet of galway having players ineligible to play due to been with seniors , the same with Dublin last year.
This year offaly lads have to juggle senior and u20, and because of this I feel injury to players is going to be a real issue.
Galways excellent minor team from last year vs offalys excellent minor team from two years ago. It will make for a great game in good conditions but with the storm who knows.

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joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 am
JimBwobb wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:55 am
joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:15 am Confidence will be high though after a surprise win in Parnell park, while we won't win the game.
Why won't we win the game today? And why was the result in parnell Park a "surprise" ?
We're playing Galway? We were playing Dublin in Parnell park? Any day any Offaly team beat any Dublin team in Parnell park is a surprise and very difficult to beat Galway regardless of what happened at minor, this is completely different. I think we'll have a right go to at it, these lads are a fantastic bunch of lads and really give all to the cause and most of them will contribute hugely to the seniors over the years.
I'm sorry, but the win in Parnell Park was not a surprise victory, no matter how much you try and spin it. Offaly hammered those Dublin lads at minor in 2022 and beat them comfortably enough at u20 in 2023. Borne out by the bookies having had Offaly as odds on favourites.

That's not to say that Offaly won't be beaten today, or be beaten by Dublin if they play them again. But, come on, let's show some honesty when talking about the results 🤷‍♂️

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Faithfully wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:31 am
joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 am
JimBwobb wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:55 am

Why won't we win the game today? And why was the result in parnell Park a "surprise" ?
We're playing Galway? We were playing Dublin in Parnell park? Any day any Offaly team beat any Dublin team in Parnell park is a surprise and very difficult to beat Galway regardless of what happened at minor, this is completely different. I think we'll have a right go to at it, these lads are a fantastic bunch of lads and really give all to the cause and most of them will contribute hugely to the seniors over the years.
I'm sorry, but the win in Parnell Park was not a surprise victory, no matter how much you try and spin it. Offaly hammered those Dublin lads at minor in 2022 and beat them comfortably enough at u20 in 2023. Borne out by the bookies having had Offaly as odds on favourites.

That's not to say that Offaly won't be beaten today, or be beaten by Dublin if they play them again. But, come on, let's show some honesty when talking about the results 🤷‍♂️

As I said what happened at minor has no bearing really on u-20.. going to Parnell park expecting a win is a bit much, granted we got it but I assume that's a very poor Dublin team. Good minor teams particularly from small counties don't always become top under 20 teams and poor minor teams can improve. Boys become men, lads develop, other lads come through that were not there before, lads go to college, change sport etc.. we were favourites because of minor team and as you said last year's result but that has no bearing on this year and underage is completely unpredictable. Lads were suggesting we got a fright against Dublin as if to say we should have been beating them easy it's nonsense. That's Offaly hurlers in Parnell park against Dublin it's a bit win when you consider where hurling is coming from in Offaly. If we are in any way competitive against Galway today it would be another big boost for these lads who's goal ultimately is to add to the senior team and get them where they need to be. Home advantage and weather will narrow the gap but it's a huge ask of these lads who are fantastic bunch. The work that went into underage over the last 10-15 years has improved hurling no end in the county right up to senior and they will be bolstered and be able to improve by the likes of these lads coming in over the next few years, exciting times in both codes.

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Joey stop talking rot Offaly were favs against Dublin so were expecting to win.
There ultimate goal is to win an all Ireland 20 title with there short term goal to try get leinster title to get there.

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joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:05 am
Faithfully wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:31 am
joey1001 wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:58 am

We're playing Galway? We were playing Dublin in Parnell park? Any day any Offaly team beat any Dublin team in Parnell park is a surprise and very difficult to beat Galway regardless of what happened at minor, this is completely different. I think we'll have a right go to at it, these lads are a fantastic bunch of lads and really give all to the cause and most of them will contribute hugely to the seniors over the years.
I'm sorry, but the win in Parnell Park was not a surprise victory, no matter how much you try and spin it. Offaly hammered those Dublin lads at minor in 2022 and beat them comfortably enough at u20 in 2023. Borne out by the bookies having had Offaly as odds on favourites.

That's not to say that Offaly won't be beaten today, or be beaten by Dublin if they play them again. But, come on, let's show some honesty when talking about the results 🤷‍♂️

As I said what happened at minor has no bearing really on u-20.. going to Parnell park expecting a win is a bit much, granted we got it but I assume that's a very poor Dublin team. Good minor teams particularly from small counties don't always become top under 20 teams and poor minor teams can improve. Boys become men, lads develop, other lads come through that were not there before, lads go to college, change sport etc.. we were favourites because of minor team and as you said last year's result but that has no bearing on this year and underage is completely unpredictable. Lads were suggesting we got a fright against Dublin as if to say we should have been beating them easy it's nonsense. That's Offaly hurlers in Parnell park against Dublin it's a bit win when you consider where hurling is coming from in Offaly. If we are in any way competitive against Galway today it would be another big boost for these lads who's goal ultimately is to add to the senior team and get them where they need to be. Home advantage and weather will narrow the gap but it's a huge ask of these lads who are fantastic bunch. The work that went into underage over the last 10-15 years has improved hurling no end in the county right up to senior and they will be bolstered and be able to improve by the likes of these lads coming in over the next few years, exciting times in both codes.
No, that is not a poor Dublin team. It's highly rated internally in fact.

You also did not provide any reason as to why that was a surprise victory beyond vague generalities about Offaly hurling being weak. You have to look at the players and teams on their own merits.

Also, that bit about lads being lost between minor and u20 is not really pertinent to this team. 14 out it 15 starters from the minor final are on the panel now. Niall Furlong the only opt out. Attrition is a much bigger problem in bigger counties where lads invariably get lost.

And Joey if you could use the enter button and post in paragraphs that would help us all read them easier thank you...

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greenairfield wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:09 am Joey stop talking rot Offaly were favs against Dublin so were expecting to win.
There ultimate goal is to win an all Ireland 20 title with there short term goal to try get leinster title to get there.
Going to Dublin and "expecting" a win is talking rot and frankly placing unrealistic and counter productive expectations on young players. The goal for any underage player particularly minor is to develop themselves and take the next step to being a good senior player, an underage title along the way is a bonus and will be forgotten about if it doesn't impact the senior team in a few years, this team competing means that there should be a good few players going through to the seniors.

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