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the Untouchable wrote:Now I have raised a few eyebrows in the past by picking teams & leaving him off....but the reality is this...Mac hasn't done it for Offaly when we've needed him, he's not someone who you could ever take off....
Offaly haven't "done it" in any true sense of the word since 2000 and beating Meath, and I would maintain that Mac has stepped up and delivered on more big days than any other player. Maybe he has had very bad days against Westmeath and Laois, but he's also had good days, and it's not like any other player in that time stepped up and kept us in a game singlehandedly. Evans last year maybe.


the Untouchable wrote:I'm certain that there are better midfielders in Offaly than him....you wouldn't have to look to hard to find better half forwards than him & we have already a strong half back line with Mooney, Brady & Slattery.
Seriously - there are better midfielders?

McNamee had a better year, and looks to be improving. To say he's a better midfielder is still a big jump from that, and not one I'd make. As for who else you'd put in front of Mac, I can't imagine. I know I'd disagree.

You say we have better half forwards - again, perhaps the likes of Coughlan and Quinn might be better specialists at the role they play, but anything Neville can do Mac can do - the difference is that Mac takes on shots and passes that Neville wouldn't try. One way or another, I know I'd rather do without any half forward in Offaly than McManus.

As for the backs, he hasn't even been tried there yet. You say Brady is a good centre back, but he's been playing - and needed - in the corner, and will probably stay there. Centre back is certainly up for grabs, as is number seven if Slattery gets moved to the forwards, or five if Mooney gets moved back to the corner - all of which are possibilities. To rule him out of there already seems dismissive.


the Untouchable wrote:So why should he have a god given right to be on the team?

Is this attitude not likely to cost a better player than Mac a place on the team....a player that like Mac would have trained hard all year?

That hardly seems to be the way to deal with players, because Managers are there to make strong decisions & drop players & take off players who aren't performing....& all too often other players have being sacrificed while Mac is left on!!!
He doesn't have a God-given right. He has a self given right because he has trained himself to the point where he is one of the fittest and most capable footballers in Ireland.

The attitude will not cost a better player a place on the team, because we don't have fifteen better players. It's a matter for debate whether we even have one.

As for him being taken off, I've always maintained that that's the main problem - he's seen as untouchable. :P He should be treated the same as any player - i.e. taken off if it's for the benefit of the team. I agree that that never happens, and it should.


the Untouchable wrote: If I was a betting man I'd put the house on Mac being midfield for Offaly this year....I don't even think the bookies would give me odds on that one!!!
I wouldn't. McNamee has to get one of the slots, and James Keane has really looked for the world like a county midfielder all summer. I'd put the house on Mac starting, barring injury - but as for the shirt on his back, I'd lay the following......

1/1 8 or 9
11/8 10, 11 or 12
7/1 5, 6 or 7
20/1 14
20/1 13 or 15

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what about mac in goals? what odds on that!

he's have a big kick out! two out of every three kicks going over the rte mast!!

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I've always maintained that that's the main problem - he's seen as untouchable.
Lone Shark thats a scurrilous accusation to make against any man.
I insist you retract immediately.

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the bare biffo wrote:
I've always maintained that that's the main problem - he's seen as untouchable.
Lone Shark thats a scurrilous accusation to make against any man.
I insist you retract immediately.

:)

I would like to categorically state that I do not believe that the man has, or at any time had, any form of leprosy.

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This message began with the idea that Mac shouldn't be criticised so for me to have to make a response to the Lone Sharks comments thats exactly what I'd have to do.

However its probably best that I don't but I will make this point.

The Lone Shark pointed out that Offaly haven't done it since the meath game in 2000....which I will admit was a wonderful performance, especially in light of the fact that Meath were All-Ireland Champions.

But Mac wasn't playing that day!!!

My point is not that Offaly are a worse team with Mac in the team, because I know how important he has being for Offaly down the years, but he's not the only player in Offaly, as would appear to be some peoples thinking & he certainly has had games where he should have being taken off in but wasn't!!!

Mac plays with the attitude that if he doesn't do it no one else will....thats always beng his style & in many ways its being his downfall as a footballer, because all too often its seen Ciarain running round trying to do everything on his own & ends up doing very little!!!

Football has always being a team game & it always will be, unless Mac & Offaly learn to play as a team we'll never be anymore than a team capable of 1 big game every year!!!
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I Just wish that when we lose a game that every Tom, Dick AND Harry does'nt blame Mac for the defeat. This year on May 29 in Croker when we lost that horrible game to Laois, the world and its mother seemed to put the blame on poor oul Mac. We kicked 19 wides that day, Mac kicked either 4 or 5 wides[ im not quite sure which], and you'd swear he kicked all 19 the way some of the media, and I stress SOME of our own supporters cut him to pieces afterwards. There were other players that day, as well as other days in the past ,who were far worse than Mac when games have gone against us and yet there was hardly a word said against them which amazed me.
I know he can be frustrating, and yes he does give the impression that he wants to do everything, but I put that down to caring to the point of obsession that Offaly are the best that they possibly can, and surely that's not a bad thing.

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I dont know if anyone has compared Ciaran Mac and Roy Keane before, but purely in terms of enthusiasm/obsession with their sports I would put them on a par. If there is a problem in that, then that problem lies at the feet of the various team management he has played under, not with Ciarán himself. It's an asset that needs to be used to best effect for the team.

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When all's said and done though, MacManus would need to take any perceived criticisms on the chin and bounce back stronger.

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Mcmanus = Roy keane

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I dont know if anyone has compared Ciaran Mac and Roy Keane before, but purely in terms of enthusiasm/obsession with their sports I would put them on a par.
Ah come on now seriously???

Mcmanus = a fatter Peter Crouch

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Who the feck is Peter Crouch !!!

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Peter Crouch

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Ah ya know who he is.....full forward for edenderry or some other team west of us who play in red!!!
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