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Ahlethimoutwithit wrote:Hardly a joking matter BNM??? Kids and father in the car also...

I didn't make any jokes about it. If kids were put at risk, there is no excuse for it.

However, given the calibre of the criminal who was supposedly the target of this and his track record in dishonesty, corruption and theft I'd be cautious about believing their uncorroborated version of events.

With or without kids, hardly right? Fair enough, we would all like to see him punished for his crimes but.....

Ahlethimoutwithit wrote:With or without kids, hardly right?

Neither is right, but there are varying shades of wrong.

Too true, speaking of corruption, dishonesty and knavery, are you a fan of Mr Haughey??

Ahlethimoutwithit wrote:Too true, speaking of corruption, dishonesty and knavery, are you a fan of Mr Haughey??

Haughey had that touch of class!

No further comment your Honour!

Back to the initial thread ….

Rather than simply publishing the usual “we’ll fill every pothole” pre-election manifesto before the next local and national elections, wouldn’t it make a lot of sense for Fine Gael to simply distribute a simple summary of:-

1. the variation proposal,
2. the OPWs opinion regarding the flooding issue made public before the vote,
3. the outcome of the vote in 2008 and,
4. the comments made on the council record by the all FF and FG councillors on the issue?

This was 2008 ….. not 1978.

I note one Cllr. Cowen and one Cllr. Owens of FF voted for the variation nothwithstanding the OPW opinion.

The comments are worth re-reading once again.

Especially Ger Killally’s:-

“ARE WE A PROGRESSIVE COUNCIL OR DO WE WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME?

I can’t speak for Mr. Killally, but I’m pretty sure that if there was ever a man who could do with a plutonium-fuelled De Lorean, a Doc Brown and a bolt of lightning hitting Edenderry clock tower at 10.04 pm this Saturday evening , to “go back in time” to 1978, it would be Ger Killally.




What The Councillors Said:

"I strongly object to being lobbied at lunchtime by people trying to persuade me to vote yes.' He continued 'If anyone goes onto the OPW website they will see the flags flying where there is risk of flooding, Why should we consider building on lands that are going to flood. Why are we going against the OPW? Why take a risk when we don't need to? I am tee totally against any development on a flood plain. It is a complete lake, that area floods from October to March. The minister will blame the councillors, I am not going to put my name to this, I will go along with the recommendation of the OPW" - Councillor Tommy McKeigue [Fine Gael]

"We have to be responsible councillors at the end of the day we will take the rap, we know where the floods are, and if we direct the floods away from this area, where will it go? it sounds very expensive." - Councillor Molly Buckley [Fine Gael]

"I am very concerned, we do seem to be getting worse weather. Look at the OPW website and the number of flood areas highlighted. It may only occur once a century but it is still unacceptable and too much of a risk to take. It is awful for people living in these areas. I don't see why we should consider building in these areas." - Councillor Marcella Corcoran Kennedy [Fine Gael]

"Looks like we are taking risks, that I don't think we should be taking, the amount of rainfall in less than 24 hours in Whitehall can't be ignored and the County Council hasn't done much for them. Why are we zoning lands that are at high risk and that may not get planning permission" - Councillor Michael Fox [Fine Gael]

"There will always be problems with lands, Tullamore needs this development". "Are we a progressive council or do we want to go back in time?" - Councillor Ger Killally [Fianna Fáil]

The decision went to a vote with Cllrs Bourke, Butterfield, Cowen, Dooley, Feighery, Killally, McDonnell, Moylan-Ryan, Ormond, and Owens voting in favour of the variation, beating off the votes of Cllrs Buckley, McKeigue, Carroll, Clendennden, Corcoran Kennedy, Dolan, Fitzpatrick, Fox and McLoughlin by one vote.

Excellent post from Durra1, however I don't think any political party would go down that road in a county council election, simply because the Irish people have long expressed a preference for "pliable" elected representatives. I can't find the exact quote, but I vaguely remember one rural TD who spoke about constituency clinics and and how a third of his visitors wanted him to do something illegal, a third wanted him to do something immoral and the other third were lonely and wanted a chat.

All too often, as a nation of voters we've proved that we like that dark side, because someday we might need to pick up the phone and get a few rules bent ourselves.


Regarding the incident yesterday morning, today's story in the Irish Independent shines a different light on the whole affair - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ca ... 39273.html

No rational person would condone a shooting incident, if that's what actually happened here. The report of how he left his own children alone in an upturned car and ran away by himself to "draw their fire" in open country is just one comment that makes me more than a little suspicious of the reported version of events. However all that aside, there is a natural imbalance at play in the sense that in this instance, a man who is a proven thief, a corrupt former councillor and a bankrupt is living in a palatial home with significant living expenses, while those who lost money to him, money that was no doubt sunk into the bricks and mortar of that ridiculous mansion, are struggling to get by. The Irish justice system has failed these people, and that makes it more difficult to move on. Now we have the added complication that the same man who is supposedly bankrupt, and cannot pay his creditors, is reportedly driving around with thousands of euro in cash in the back of his car and investing in a new business.

To this uninvolved third party, that should be a breach of his bankruptcy and since he is serving a three year suspended prison sentence, I would suggest it could be a breach of those terms as well - not that we'd ever expect a man like Ger Killally to serve prison time in a country like Ireland. However my unlearned opinion aside, imagine how that feels if you're a local tradesman, local business or local supplier, and you were badly hit by Killally leaving you unpaid - imagine how this would feel?

I don't excuse anyone trying to impose their own brand of justice, but I can completely understand how certain people might feel driven to these measures.

The roof of the crashed car featured on last night's News was unmarked. It stretches credibility yet another degree to think that the car was on its roof at any time.

"imagine how that feels if you're a local tradesman, local business or local supplier, and you were badly hit by Killally leaving you unpaid
- imagine how this would feel?

Nuff Said ....

With these guys who are supposedly bankrupt, I'm sure most of them squirreled away a bit of lose change along the way. Especially when they saw what was coming. Who is going to notice a few missing 50 grands here and there when we are dealing in tens of millions. At the best of times, there were plenty of bags of cash flying around that never made it to the bank.

It's some laugh that Killally is being allowed keep that monstrosity of a house (unlike Haughey's tasteful Gandon designed pad) that costs 15k a month to run http://www.wiredwithwhelan.com/?p=64

A great little county in a great little country!