Can’t defend the indefensible now so you’re trying to deflect but you’re wrong.
We did draw with Galway in the 2010 Leinster Semi final and pushed them close on many other occasions. Can’t even get into the same competition as them now…
Can’t defend the indefensible now so you’re trying to deflect but you’re wrong.
Yes I heard Brian Lohan said that and for me it's only a soundbite. Yes we might have improved but we are a good bit off Liam Mccarthy Liam Cork and Waterford size. Anyone who was at these games can clearly see it. Look at the size of Waterfords Prunty,the Cork team and even Seadna Morey and Shanagher from Clare. Even after the game ,if you go onto the pitch, compare their size to our lads.private joker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:34 pm Brian lohan said after the match that offalys conditioning was much improved on the last time offaly were up in division one.
Just a point on the Joe Mc final re Offaly/rest/league - ye played a league final - one more game than carlow. Which ye won and kept that momentum going into the Joe mc. So no hangover from the league, infact I d say it drove ye on. Ye also had the benefit of resting a large majority of players for the last Joe mc group game when Carlow didn't have the same luxury (absolutely your choice as ye were in final anyways). This was 2 weeks before the Joe mc final. So it's not exactly all down to tiredness or bad reffing decisions! The single biggest thing that cost ye was your wides more than anything that day. We were out on our feet - we only used 4 subs that day including extra time, playing with an extra man. That's the joys of sport. I d put our win down to being more economical on the day aside from anything else. As for our best days hurling? We played well but we had more big game experience than your squad - Liam McCarthy, Joe mc winners previously, div 1. So we weren't exactly a team from nowhere.G91 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:22 am Won 2 games in the league in 2010 , a poor dublin team and a bad limerick team all before both of them started becoming the teams they are today with exception of dublin they haven't been consistent, limerick had a very poor year ,
And again offaly were very reliant on joe bergin Brian carroll shane dooley , the county was a mess no structure very little S&C
We are offaly today a massive underage plan a training facility new sponsorship, won a minor lienster, all ireland finals at under 20 hurling and football players being looked after at least by the minimalist of standards
Offaly have far more competition for spots now and aren't reliant on 3 players as good as those lads were you can't expect to progress with that plan.
Any sensible person on this forum knew last year that carlow would be no push overs didn't expect to loose but when you don't get fair decisions and down to 14 for the hole game plus some players match fitness wasn't what we had hoped and carlow were clinical they possibly played one of there best games , offaly had no break from league to championship either.
That's 14 years ago. How many of the players who played that day are still togging out for Offaly?Anonymous1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:36 amCan’t defend the indefensible now so you’re trying to deflect but you’re wrong.
We did draw with Galway in the 2010 Leinster Semi final and pushed them close on many other occasions. Can’t even get into the same competition as them now…
My point still stands , offaly shifted alot of games and couldn't afford to rest anyone , you seem to forget cillian Kiely got injured , eoin cahil carried an injury some players played that day in carlowold yellar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:30 pmJust a point on the Joe Mc final re Offaly/rest/league - ye played a league final - one more game than carlow. Which ye won and kept that momentum going into the Joe mc. So no hangover from the league, infact I d say it drove ye on. Ye also had the benefit of resting a large majority of players for the last Joe mc group game when Carlow didn't have the same luxury (absolutely your choice as ye were in final anyways). This was 2 weeks before the Joe mc final. So it's not exactly all down to tiredness or bad reffing decisions! The single biggest thing that cost ye was your wides more than anything that day. We were out on our feet - we only used 4 subs that day including extra time, playing with an extra man. That's the joys of sport. I d put our win down to being more economical on the day aside from anything else. As for our best days hurling? We played well but we had more big game experience than your squad - Liam McCarthy, Joe mc winners previously, div 1. So we weren't exactly a team from nowhere.G91 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:22 am Won 2 games in the league in 2010 , a poor dublin team and a bad limerick team all before both of them started becoming the teams they are today with exception of dublin they haven't been consistent, limerick had a very poor year ,
And again offaly were very reliant on joe bergin Brian carroll shane dooley , the county was a mess no structure very little S&C
We are offaly today a massive underage plan a training facility new sponsorship, won a minor lienster, all ireland finals at under 20 hurling and football players being looked after at least by the minimalist of standards
Offaly have far more competition for spots now and aren't reliant on 3 players as good as those lads were you can't expect to progress with that plan.
Any sensible person on this forum knew last year that carlow would be no push overs didn't expect to loose but when you don't get fair decisions and down to 14 for the hole game plus some players match fitness wasn't what we had hoped and carlow were clinical they possibly played one of there best games , offaly had no break from league to championship either.
I know you never downplayed Carlow winning - it's more on your perception of Offaly I was asking about. From our side of things re rest etc - we hadn't the luxury of resting anyone! Counting the Joe mc and all Ireland prelim q final we used 23/35 possible subs in 7 games. In the most crucial group one v laois, we used 1. And that was enforced. So our panel was extremely tight. I put it down to poor shooting more than anything as somethings you can control and other you can't at times. Offaly started just 4 of the team that won the previous week v Kerry as far as I remember and a few came on. So not a bad break.G91 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:01 pmMy point still stands , offaly shifted alot of games and couldn't afford to rest anyone , you seem to forget cillian Kiely got injured , eoin cahil carried an injury some players played that day in carlowold yellar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:30 pmJust a point on the Joe Mc final re Offaly/rest/league - ye played a league final - one more game than carlow. Which ye won and kept that momentum going into the Joe mc. So no hangover from the league, infact I d say it drove ye on. Ye also had the benefit of resting a large majority of players for the last Joe mc group game when Carlow didn't have the same luxury (absolutely your choice as ye were in final anyways). This was 2 weeks before the Joe mc final. So it's not exactly all down to tiredness or bad reffing decisions! The single biggest thing that cost ye was your wides more than anything that day. We were out on our feet - we only used 4 subs that day including extra time, playing with an extra man. That's the joys of sport. I d put our win down to being more economical on the day aside from anything else. As for our best days hurling? We played well but we had more big game experience than your squad - Liam McCarthy, Joe mc winners previously, div 1. So we weren't exactly a team from nowhere.G91 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:22 am Won 2 games in the league in 2010 , a poor dublin team and a bad limerick team all before both of them started becoming the teams they are today with exception of dublin they haven't been consistent, limerick had a very poor year ,
And again offaly were very reliant on joe bergin Brian carroll shane dooley , the county was a mess no structure very little S&C
We are offaly today a massive underage plan a training facility new sponsorship, won a minor lienster, all ireland finals at under 20 hurling and football players being looked after at least by the minimalist of standards
Offaly have far more competition for spots now and aren't reliant on 3 players as good as those lads were you can't expect to progress with that plan.
Any sensible person on this forum knew last year that carlow would be no push overs didn't expect to loose but when you don't get fair decisions and down to 14 for the hole game plus some players match fitness wasn't what we had hoped and carlow were clinical they possibly played one of there best games , offaly had no break from league to championship either.
Carlow did play one of there best games they won most of the balls given in to the forwards where on the flip side offaly hit wides and were trying to stay in the game
The one man you want to take a sideline to win it went off injured, and 100% there was some questions asked if decisions that were given and not especially the red card you seen the wexford player got his turned over same thing unaware of grabbing the face guard under a high ball this year
I never downplayed carlow winning they won and deserved to but that doesn't take away from offaly having issues and things that didn't go right
I expect we'll put 15-20 points at least on Down and MeathG91 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:24 pm Loais are all over the place at the moment they changed out some of thier management team they'd plenty of excuses and people to blame after carlow beat them there are going to want to set a maker against offaly
Westmeath have been hurling at higher standards for a couple year now.
And God knows what kerry could bring they were desperate in tullamore last year and were out to do damage
Down have Trevor fletcher now as a coach so a man who knows a few things about offaly hurling
Meath are also unpredictable
If we are serious about getting back into Liam mc and trying to stay there this is a time to prove it