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Re: Numbers

Postby Plain of the Herbs » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:45 pm

Here goes . . . I don’t have the 2016 census figures, so it’s based on the 2011 census which is unlikely to be materially different.

Moneygall (in Tipperary for the GAA): Cullenwaine 703, Templeharry 210, Barna 156, Dunkerrin 359. TOTAL 1,428

Shinrone: Shinrone 965, Cangort 213, Ballincor 160. TOTAL 1,338

Ballyskenagh-Killavilla: Mountheaton 673, Gorteen 297. TOTAL 970

Coolderry: Ettagh 490, Kilcolman 380, Aghancon 374. TOTAL 1,244

Birr: Birr urban 4,447

Crinkill: Birr rural 1,371

Seir Kieran: Seir Kieran 492

(where does Dromoyle (327) fit in?)

Kinnitty: Kinnitty 531, Letter 172, Tulla 91, Roscomroe 149 TOTAL 943

Drumcullen: Drumcullen 357, Knockbarron 173, Killyon 284, Eglish 145 TOTAL 959

Lusmagh: Lusmagh 544, and part of Mounterin (about a quarter 60) TOTAL 600 approx

St Rynagh’s: Banagher 2,001, Shannon Harbour 336, Cloghan 981, Gallen 576, the larger part of Mounterin 192. TOTAL 4,086

(where does Derryad (247) fit in?)

Ferbane-Belmont: Huntston 346, Lumcloon 360, Moyclare 622, Ferbane 1,215, Lea 367. TOTAL 2,910

Shannonbridge: Shannonbridge 299, Clonmacnois 336. TOTAL 635

Kilcormac-Killoughey: Kilcormac 1,306, Broughal 119, Derrinboy 293, Killooly 271, Killoughey 653, Rathrobin 403. TOTAL 3,045

Doon: Hinds 310, Doon 432. TOTAL 742

Ballycumber & Erin Rovers combined (hard to split these): Ballycumber 736, Srah 733 COMBINED 1,469

Tubber: Tinamuck 260

(Kilcumreragh (522) and maybe Gorteen (359) look to be Horseleap, what’s the story here?)

Clara: Clara 3,913

Shamrocks: Rahan 721, Screggan 1,460, Bawn 379. TOTAL 2,560 plus some of Tullamore Rural

Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730

Durrow: Durrow 737

Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

(I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)

Clodiagh Gaels: Killeigh 1,256

Cappincur: Cappincur 1,490

Ballycommon: Ballycommon 561

(is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

KIlclonfert: KIlclonfert 364

Daingean: Daingean 1,438

St Brigid’s: Croghan 524

Rhode: Ballyburley 1,325, Ballymacwilliam 643. TOTAL 1,968

Clonmore Harps: Clonmore 419, Knockdrin 189. TOTAL 608

Edenderry-Ballyfore: (given the apparent arrangement between these two, I am combining them) Edenderry Urban 6,486, Edenderry Rural 855, Monasteroris 826, Esker
394, Mountbriscoe 252. TOTAL 8,813

Clonbullogue: Clonbullogue 744.

Bracknagh: Bracknagh 1,012

Walsh Island: (possibly part of one or both of the above)

Gracefield: Portarlington north 2,372, Hammerlane 565. TOTAL 2,937

Ballinagar: (hard to tell how much of Geashill is involved here)

Raheen: remainder of Geashill 1,632, Cloneygowan 528, O’Dempsey 146, Ballyshear 377, Rathfeston 436, Ballaghassaan 47, Raheenakeeran 427. TOTAL 3,593

I don’t have a Tipperary list to check the populations of Riverstown, Carrig and Clonaskin LEAs.
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Re: Numbers

Postby LooseCannon » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:53 pm

Plain of the Herbs wrote:Here goes . . . I don’t have the 2016 census figures, so it’s based on the 2011 census which is unlikely to be materially different.

Moneygall (in Tipperary for the GAA): Cullenwaine 703, Templeharry 210, Barna 156, Dunkerrin 359. TOTAL 1,428

Shinrone: Shinrone 965, Cangort 213, Ballincor 160. TOTAL 1,338

Ballyskenagh-Killavilla: Mountheaton 673, Gorteen 297. TOTAL 970

Coolderry: Ettagh 490, Kilcolman 380, Aghancon 374. TOTAL 1,244

Birr: Birr urban 4,447

Crinkill: Birr rural 1,371

Seir Kieran: Seir Kieran 492

(where does Dromoyle (327) fit in?)

Kinnitty: Kinnitty 531, Letter 172, Tulla 91, Roscomroe 149 TOTAL 943

Drumcullen: Drumcullen 357, Knockbarron 173, Killyon 284, Eglish 145 TOTAL 959

Lusmagh: Lusmagh 544, and part of Mounterin (about a quarter 60) TOTAL 600 approx

St Rynagh’s: Banagher 2,001, Shannon Harbour 336, Cloghan 981, Gallen 576, the larger part of Mounterin 192. TOTAL 4,086

(where does Derryad (247) fit in?)

Ferbane-Belmont: Huntston 346, Lumcloon 360, Moyclare 622, Ferbane 1,215, Lea 367. TOTAL 2,910

Shannonbridge: Shannonbridge 299, Clonmacnois 336. TOTAL 635

Kilcormac-Killoughey: Kilcormac 1,306, Broughal 119, Derrinboy 293, Killooly 271, Killoughey 653, Rathrobin 403. TOTAL 3,045

Doon: Hinds 310, Doon 432. TOTAL 742

Ballycumber & Erin Rovers combined (hard to split these): Ballycumber 736, Srah 733 COMBINED 1,469

Tubber: Tinamuck 260

(Kilcumreragh (522) and maybe Gorteen (359) look to be Horseleap, what’s the story here?)

Clara: Clara 3,913

Shamrocks: Rahan 721, Screggan 1,460, Bawn 379. TOTAL 2,560 plus some of Tullamore Rural

Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730

Durrow: Durrow 737

Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

(I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)

Clodiagh Gaels: Killeigh 1,256

Cappincur: Cappincur 1,490

Ballycommon: Ballycommon 561

(is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

KIlclonfert: KIlclonfert 364

Daingean: Daingean 1,438

St Brigid’s: Croghan 524

Rhode: Ballyburley 1,325, Ballymacwilliam 643. TOTAL 1,968

Clonmore Harps: Clonmore 419, Knockdrin 189. TOTAL 608

Edenderry-Ballyfore: (given the apparent arrangement between these two, I am combining them) Edenderry Urban 6,486, Edenderry Rural 855, Monasteroris 826, Esker
394, Mountbriscoe 252. TOTAL 8,813

Clonbullogue: Clonbullogue 744.

Bracknagh: Bracknagh 1,012

Walsh Island: (possibly part of one or both of the above)

Gracefield: Portarlington north 2,372, Hammerlane 565. TOTAL 2,937

Ballinagar: (hard to tell how much of Geashill is involved here)

Raheen: remainder of Geashill 1,632, Cloneygowan 528, O’Dempsey 146, Ballyshear 377, Rathfeston 436, Ballaghassaan 47, Raheenakeeran 427. TOTAL 3,593

I don’t have a Tipperary list to check the populations of Riverstown, Carrig and Clonaskin LEAs.


Any sympathy that I've ever shown toward Crinkle, Bracknagh or Clonbullogue has abruptly ended.

Fantastic job BTW
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Re: Numbers

Postby llkj » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:31 am

A. (is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

Don't take this as gospel, but I think Tinnycross is Tullamore parish. It is the area out around Ballydaly and that general area.

B. Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730 Durrow: Durrow 737 Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

There is a similar arrangement between BD and Tullamore, as you referenced with Edenderry and Ballyfore, as there are lots of examples of the unoffical border between the catchment areas being pretty fluid, with plenty of players from the urban area playing with BD over the years and vice versas.

C. (I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)
Not sure, but I do know that the Tullamore/Shamrocks border is traditionally set at the first gates to Charleville Castle, as you are leaving the town.

Definitely an interesting study and nice work putting it together. Some data analysis could definitely show us areas for improvement when it comes to adoption of our games.

I'd also be curious to see the primary schools in the county and they clubs that they feed into.
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Re: Numbers

Postby theman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:50 am

LooseCannon wrote:
Plain of the Herbs wrote:Here goes . . . I don’t have the 2016 census figures, so it’s based on the 2011 census which is unlikely to be materially different.

Moneygall (in Tipperary for the GAA): Cullenwaine 703, Templeharry 210, Barna 156, Dunkerrin 359. TOTAL 1,428

Shinrone: Shinrone 965, Cangort 213, Ballincor 160. TOTAL 1,338

Ballyskenagh-Killavilla: Mountheaton 673, Gorteen 297. TOTAL 970

Coolderry: Ettagh 490, Kilcolman 380, Aghancon 374. TOTAL 1,244

Birr: Birr urban 4,447

Crinkill: Birr rural 1,371

Seir Kieran: Seir Kieran 492

(where does Dromoyle (327) fit in?)

Kinnitty: Kinnitty 531, Letter 172, Tulla 91, Roscomroe 149 TOTAL 943

Drumcullen: Drumcullen 357, Knockbarron 173, Killyon 284, Eglish 145 TOTAL 959

Lusmagh: Lusmagh 544, and part of Mounterin (about a quarter 60) TOTAL 600 approx

St Rynagh’s: Banagher 2,001, Shannon Harbour 336, Cloghan 981, Gallen 576, the larger part of Mounterin 192. TOTAL 4,086

(where does Derryad (247) fit in?)

Ferbane-Belmont: Huntston 346, Lumcloon 360, Moyclare 622, Ferbane 1,215, Lea 367. TOTAL 2,910

Shannonbridge: Shannonbridge 299, Clonmacnois 336. TOTAL 635

Kilcormac-Killoughey: Kilcormac 1,306, Broughal 119, Derrinboy 293, Killooly 271, Killoughey 653, Rathrobin 403. TOTAL 3,045

Doon: Hinds 310, Doon 432. TOTAL 742

Ballycumber & Erin Rovers combined (hard to split these): Ballycumber 736, Srah 733 COMBINED 1,469

Tubber: Tinamuck 260

(Kilcumreragh (522) and maybe Gorteen (359) look to be Horseleap, what’s the story here?)

Clara: Clara 3,913

Shamrocks: Rahan 721, Screggan 1,460, Bawn 379. TOTAL 2,560 plus some of Tullamore Rural

Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730

Durrow: Durrow 737

Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

(I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)

Clodiagh Gaels: Killeigh 1,256

Cappincur: Cappincur 1,490

Ballycommon: Ballycommon 561

(is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

KIlclonfert: KIlclonfert 364

Daingean: Daingean 1,438

St Brigid’s: Croghan 524

Rhode: Ballyburley 1,325, Ballymacwilliam 643. TOTAL 1,968

Clonmore Harps: Clonmore 419, Knockdrin 189. TOTAL 608

Edenderry-Ballyfore: (given the apparent arrangement between these two, I am combining them) Edenderry Urban 6,486, Edenderry Rural 855, Monasteroris 826, Esker
394, Mountbriscoe 252. TOTAL 8,813

Clonbullogue: Clonbullogue 744.

Bracknagh: Bracknagh 1,012

Walsh Island: (possibly part of one or both of the above)

Gracefield: Portarlington north 2,372, Hammerlane 565. TOTAL 2,937

Ballinagar: (hard to tell how much of Geashill is involved here)

Raheen: remainder of Geashill 1,632, Cloneygowan 528, O’Dempsey 146, Ballyshear 377, Rathfeston 436, Ballaghassaan 47, Raheenakeeran 427. TOTAL 3,593

I don’t have a Tipperary list to check the populations of Riverstown, Carrig and Clonaskin LEAs.


Any sympathy that I've ever shown toward Crinkle, Bracknagh or Clonbullogue has abruptly ended.

Fantastic job BTW



Just want to throw my two cents worth into those figures.

Being from this part of the county, I can assure you Bracknagh do not have that population. I would say they have half that population - in around 500 mark. They are doing unbelievable stuff with the small pick they have and fair play to them.

Clonbullogue figure is probably right. They have the biggest pick in the parish of St Broughans. Walsh Island as far as I know would take in some figures from Bracknagh, Gracefield, Cloneygowan. I would say their population would be no more than 400 ish - open to correction.

Why would you feel no sympathy towards Crinkle, Bracknagh or Clonbullogue may I ask?
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Re: Numbers

Postby True Red » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:21 am

Great work Pat
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Re: Numbers

Postby club125 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:48 am

Great piece of work and such an analysis is badly needed to accurately assess potential playing population in Offaly. Just a couple of observations;

Further analysis should include the schools. C na mB Scoil would have good data but I understand c.55 - 60 schools enter teams (some multiple teams) in competitions. Granted some schools will field mixed boys & girls teams but I still think the total school playing populations is at variance with the low numbers of teams entering Offaly competitions c. 15 in each code.

In Offaly we are undermining the potential of our playing population by persisting with amalgamated teams when the ability of clubs to field under their own banner is available. We must clarify, are amalgamations a useful tool to allow clubs who don't have the numbers to field on their own join together to enter a team or are they an amalgamation of convenience so that honours can be collected.

I believe in Offaly we have drifted to the latter to the detriment of our potential playing population and overall sustainability of our smaller clubs.

I have heard (unconfirmed) that 63 players were togged out in the recent U14A football final. St. Broughan's v St. Manchan's. It these amalgamations have these numbers then the justification for a combined effort is surely absent.

We need more players, more teams, more and varied competition's to improve Gaelic Games in Offaly. Hard & accurate data needs to be utilised to ensure that.

Well done.
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Re: Numbers

Postby kingscounty » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:34 pm

Nearly 9,000 in Edenderry and ballyfore and they can't put a hurling team together, shocking
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Re: Numbers

Postby True Red » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:02 pm

Nearly 9,000 in Edenderry and ballyfore and they can't put a hurling team together, shocking


There was minor and under 16 hurling teams in Edenderry this year my friend. The foundations are been laid once again for hurling in Edenderry, have no fear.
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Re: Numbers

Postby Hankscorpio » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:22 pm

kingscounty wrote:Nearly 9,000 in Edenderry and ballyfore and they can't put a hurling team together, shocking



Just under 4,000 for the league of nations (St Vincent's)... How are their hurling teams fairing these days?
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Re: Numbers

Postby greenairfield » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:59 pm

Great work can we break it down more...?
How many children have we u 18 in them towns / villages and how many are forgein nationals or from the travelling community...?
I am going to be greedy and want to know this for the birr area as I'd love to do a report and figure out where we are at numbers wise.
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Re: Numbers

Postby turk » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:03 pm

Plain of the Herbs wrote:Here goes . . . I don’t have the 2016 census figures, so it’s based on the 2011 census which is unlikely to be materially different.

Moneygall (in Tipperary for the GAA): Cullenwaine 703, Templeharry 210, Barna 156, Dunkerrin 359. TOTAL 1,428

Shinrone: Shinrone 965, Cangort 213, Ballincor 160. TOTAL 1,338

Ballyskenagh-Killavilla: Mountheaton 673, Gorteen 297. TOTAL 970

Coolderry: Ettagh 490, Kilcolman 380, Aghancon 374. TOTAL 1,244

Birr: Birr urban 4,447

Crinkill: Birr rural 1,371

Seir Kieran: Seir Kieran 492

(where does Dromoyle (327) fit in?)

Kinnitty: Kinnitty 531, Letter 172, Tulla 91, Roscomroe 149 TOTAL 943

Drumcullen: Drumcullen 357, Knockbarron 173, Killyon 284, Eglish 145 TOTAL 959

Lusmagh: Lusmagh 544, and part of Mounterin (about a quarter 60) TOTAL 600 approx

St Rynagh’s: Banagher 2,001, Shannon Harbour 336, Cloghan 981, Gallen 576, the larger part of Mounterin 192. TOTAL 4,086

(where does Derryad (247) fit in?)

Ferbane-Belmont: Huntston 346, Lumcloon 360, Moyclare 622, Ferbane 1,215, Lea 367. TOTAL 2,910

Shannonbridge: Shannonbridge 299, Clonmacnois 336. TOTAL 635

Kilcormac-Killoughey: Kilcormac 1,306, Broughal 119, Derrinboy 293, Killooly 271, Killoughey 653, Rathrobin 403. TOTAL 3,045

Doon: Hinds 310, Doon 432. TOTAL 742

Ballycumber & Erin Rovers combined (hard to split these): Ballycumber 736, Srah 733 COMBINED 1,469

Tubber: Tinamuck 260

(Kilcumreragh (522) and maybe Gorteen (359) look to be Horseleap, what’s the story here?)

Clara: Clara 3,913

Shamrocks: Rahan 721, Screggan 1,460, Bawn 379. TOTAL 2,560 plus some of Tullamore Rural

Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730

Durrow: Durrow 737

Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

(I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)

Clodiagh Gaels: Killeigh 1,256

Cappincur: Cappincur 1,490

Ballycommon: Ballycommon 561

(is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

KIlclonfert: KIlclonfert 364

Daingean: Daingean 1,438

St Brigid’s: Croghan 524

Rhode: Ballyburley 1,325, Ballymacwilliam 643. TOTAL 1,968

Clonmore Harps: Clonmore 419, Knockdrin 189. TOTAL 608

Edenderry-Ballyfore: (given the apparent arrangement between these two, I am combining them) Edenderry Urban 6,486, Edenderry Rural 855, Monasteroris 826, Esker
394, Mountbriscoe 252. TOTAL 8,813

Clonbullogue: Clonbullogue 744.

Bracknagh: Bracknagh 1,012

Walsh Island: (possibly part of one or both of the above)

Gracefield: Portarlington north 2,372, Hammerlane 565. TOTAL 2,937

Ballinagar: (hard to tell how much of Geashill is involved here)

Raheen: remainder of Geashill 1,632, Cloneygowan 528, O’Dempsey 146, Ballyshear 377, Rathfeston 436, Ballaghassaan 47, Raheenakeeran 427. TOTAL 3,593

I don’t have a Tipperary list to check the populations of Riverstown, Carrig and Clonaskin LEAs.


Great work

Most of the figure for Gallen listed under St Rynaghs would be in Ferbane parish. The Ferbane parish part would run from the Brosna bridge in the town out to the boundary at the Grand Canal.
Lumcloon electoral area is a set of townslands up around Belmont - that was a new one on me. Lumcloon townsland is part of Gallen electoral area, according to townslands.ie which has a lot of maps and info on it. Interesting stuff!!
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Re: Numbers

Postby NewEra » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:35 pm

Plain of the Herbs wrote:
Cappincur: Cappincur 1,490

Ballycommon: Ballycommon 561

(is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

KIlclonfert: KIlclonfert 364

Daingean: Daingean 1,438



Much of the Cappancur electoral area is part of the Raheen, Ballinagar and Clodiagh Gaels pick so that number is not representative of the pick for GAA. It is essentially a 4 mile stretch of main road. I would estimate that our pick is roughly half the above so 700ish. https://www.townlands.ie/offaly/cappancur/ from the attached area, Cappincur GAA only has 1/3 of this.

Very interesting. It seems that club boundaries are very different to the electoral/census areas.
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Re: Numbers

Postby LooseCannon » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:07 pm

Shannon Harbour is 1/2 Rynaghs 1/2 Tisaran. 1/2 may be in Ferbane/Belmont territory.
Gallen part of Ferbane.
The Lemonaghon (Doon, Pollagh, Ballycumber) parish comes right up along the Shannon near Clonmacnois.
I'm fairly confident that there's a polling station in Pollagh.

As for my sympathy for Clonbullogue, Bracknagh and Crinkle, I always thought that they had less numbers, struggling to put panels together. I do have sympathy for Kilclonfert though.
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Re: Numbers

Postby SearingDrive » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:37 pm

llkj wrote:A. (is Tinnycross (458) Ballycommon or perhaps Cappincur?)

Don't take this as gospel, but I think Tinnycross is Tullamore parish. It is the area out around Ballydaly and that general area.

B. Ballinamere: Silverbrook 730 Durrow: Durrow 737 Tullamore: Tullamore Urban 11,375

There is a similar arrangement between BD and Tullamore, as you referenced with Edenderry and Ballyfore, as there are lots of examples of the unoffical border between the catchment areas being pretty fluid, with plenty of players from the urban area playing with BD over the years and vice versas.

C. (I suspect Tullamore rural (3,034) is Shamrocks but someone might have an opinion on this?)
Not sure, but I do know that the Tullamore/Shamrocks border is traditionally set at the first gates to Charleville Castle, as you are leaving the town.
Tinny cross is part of Tullamore parish. Shamrocks catchment area includes part of Charleville Road in Tullamore, along with Adams Villas, off the Charleville Road.
POTH asks about Derryadd, there is a Derryadd townland near Killeigh, Clodiagh Gaels club.
Definitely an interesting study and nice work putting it together. Some data analysis could definitely show us areas for improvement when it comes to adoption of our games.

I'd also be curious to see the primary schools in the county and they clubs that they feed into.
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Re: Numbers

Postby LooseCannon » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:42 pm

Age demographics are key to this analysis, as I'd imagine that there are some towns or villages that were hit harder than others during the downturn. E.g. Aging populations.
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