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clubs that play outside their county

Postby hamstrings » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:42 pm

Just wondering if anyone knows the history behind carrig and Riverstown playing in Offaly and why moneygall play in Tipp
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby Plain of the Herbs » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:58 pm

I don’t know why Carrig & Riverstown play in Offaly, and their club history which is on the club's website does little to answer the query. However, that they are situated in Birr Parish, and that the parish rule is treasured in GAA may well be a factor. C&R didn’t field for many years during the 1960s due to lack of numbers. During that time they made three separate attempts to join Tipperary. Each attempt was rebuffed by Moneygall’s Séamus Ó Ríaín (who later became GAA president), fearing that Carrig entering Tipperary would be the catalyst for Moneygall being moved back to Offaly.

Somewhat similarly, Ballyskenagh played in Tipperary for several years up to the late 1950s. They were faced with disbandment when the Tipperary Board passed a motion that there could only be one club in any parish. Roscrea GAA Club were going nowhere, so Ballyskenagh upped sticks and moved to Offaly.

Moneygall is a different story. They were in Offaly in the early days of the GAA and even contested an Offaly SH final in 1906, when they were beaten by Coolderry. It all came to a head following the 1910 Junior final when Dunkerrin beat Killoughey. Killoughey objected, the Board upheld the objection and, vexed at the Board’s treatment, Moneygall/Dunkerrin moved to Tipperary. But while Moneygall village is in Co Offaly, a decent portion of Moneygall is in Tipperary, including, I believe, the GAA grounds. Someone with local knowledge might confirm this.
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby hamstrings » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:20 am

Thanks plain of the herbs , you know your stuff !
I say carrig support Tipp with all the flags around the area suggesting so
Another area that makes me wonder is horseleap, who do they play with considering the border is right through the village
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby SearingDrive » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:24 am

Plain of the Herbs wrote:I don’t know why Carrig & Riverstown play in Offaly, and their club history which is on the club's website does little to answer the query. However, that they are situated in Birr Parish, and that the parish rule is treasured in GAA may well be a factor. C&R didn’t field for many years during the 1960s due to lack of numbers. During that time they made three separate attempts to join Tipperary. Each attempt was rebuffed by Moneygall’s Séamus Ó Ríaín (who later became GAA president), fearing that Carrig entering Tipperary would be the catalyst for Moneygall being moved back to Offaly.

Somewhat similarly, Ballyskenagh played in Tipperary for several years up to the late 1950s. They were faced with disbandment when the Tipperary Board passed a motion that there could only be one club in any parish. Roscrea GAA Club were going nowhere, so Ballyskenagh upped sticks and moved to Offaly.

Moneygall is a different story. They were in Offaly in the early days of the GAA and even contested an Offaly SH final in 1906, when they were beaten by Coolderry. It all came to a head following the 1910 Junior final when Dunkerrin beat Killoughey. Killoughey objected, the Board upheld the objection and, vexed at the Board’s treatment, Moneygall/Dunkerrin moved to Tipperary. But while Moneygall village is in Co Offaly, a decent portion of Moneygall is in Tipperary, including, I believe, the GAA grounds. Someone with local knowledge might confirm this.

The GAA grounds is in Tipperary. The late Seamus O'Riain was an Offaly man, but in Tipperary for GAA purposes. I believe he
taught in Dunkerrin, maybe POTH might confirm this.
Carrig and Riverstown, are geographically and culturally in Tipperary, as per the post about Tipp flags in abundance.. They contest the IHC Final on Sunday v Clodiagh Gaels. On the football scene, Ballaghdereen is in Roscommon, but they play GAA in Mayo. The town was in Mayo initially but was transferred to Roscommon for administrative purposes. In GAA matters they stayed with the Green and Red, supplying county players to Mayo.
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby hamstrings » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:25 pm

Must of been a strange one for Ger Oakley first getting called up to Offaly panal , to be fair he gave everything to the Offaly Jersey
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby ryot » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:17 pm

Horseleap while split right in the middle county wise is in Clara Parish............ In the early days of the GAA the Parish Rule superseeded County boundaries, so Dunkerrin when playing in Offaly would have had players from the Tipp side of the parish. Doon in those times had players from Ballinahown village, a Westmeath section of the parish and those players had to play with a team in their own parish.. Later some in the Ballinahown end wanting to get away from Doon & Offaly set up their own Ballinahown club which I believe only lasted the one year but at the end of the year Westmeath CB allowed those players transfer to other Westmeath clubs ( Castledaly, Athlione & Moate all benefited over the years from Lemonaghan Parish although some also retained an allegiance to Doon, like Puck Moran !!!)

I remember P Johnson playing Offaly County minor around 59/60 as a Clara player but by the time Clara played in a County Senior Final (63 ??) Pat had played in the early rounds but was not listed for the final as he had "assisted" a Westmeath club in the meantime........... He subsequently played for Rosemount, as have a few from that area.

There was also a fuss some years back when a Horseleay (Offaly side) lad decided he wanted to lay for Tubber...... Again a County Minor who had played for Clara.... Failed to get a transfer to Tubber at County Board & again I believe he joined Rosemount................

There is a tradition going back to at least the Forthies of players from the Offaly side of Horseleap & from Tubber playing with Rosemount and with Westmeath......... In the famous battles in 1949 the Healy brothers from Faheran, Tubber, Offaly played with Westmeath, beating Offaly in a replay. There was a story (hopefully untrue) that in 1961 some of those Rosemount players of old who, were from & living in, Offaly sported Down colours in Croke Park !!!!!

Some Healy sons around 1990 played for Tubber but then left for Rosemount.....

Of course Rosemount, as well as a good section of the town of Moate are in Tubber Parish.................Tubber club existed for periods in the Fifties & the Sixties and it folded both times. Players joined various clubs, some went to Ballycumber & Clara but others went to Moate & Rosemount...... I played against some of those lads when they were with Tubber and later when with Moate & Rosemount.

Where Parish & County Boundaries cross there was & always will be "problems" especially where families with allegiancesto a club move accross the County boundry but want their children to remain "loyal" and have Leinster not let that happen with Clonmore ???

Its a great subject for winters nights in a divided local !!!!
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby Plain of the Herbs » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:44 pm

Séamus Ó Ríaín did indeed teach in Dunkerrin, though I admit I didn't know this until I did a bit of research.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tipperary/Art ... x?ID=76192
And looking at the county boundary on the Google map of Moneygall, the Bacack Obama plaza is in County Tipperary too.
SearingDrive wrote:The GAA grounds is in Tipperary. The late Seamus O'Riain was an Offaly man, but in Tipperary for GAA purposes. I believe he
taught in Dunkerrin, maybe POTH might confirm this.
Carrig and Riverstown, are geographically and culturally in Tipperary, as per the post about Tipp flags in abundance.. They contest the IHC Final on Sunday v Clodiagh Gaels. On the football scene, Ballaghdereen is in Roscommon, but they play GAA in Mayo. The town was in Mayo initially but was transferred to Roscommon for administrative purposes. In GAA matters they stayed with the Green and Red, supplying county players to Mayo.
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby theoutsider » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:10 am

Clonmore (Offaly) & Ballinabrackey (Meath) is another unique one.

Clonmore won a senior in Offaly in early 1900's but disbanded after. They played their adult football with Ballinabrackey for most periods until they reformed in the late 80's/early 90's.
In the last few years the row has become bitter with players living in Clonmore playing for Ballinabrackey and vice versa.
Clonmore have to be admired in a way - probably one of the smallest pool of players in the county and still manage hold their own at Junior A. I know they have the help of one or two players from surrounding clubs but what club these days hasn't?

Did Ger Oakley not try to get a transfer to Birr when Offaly were going good at the time? Carraig & Riverstown is a really unique one. But thats what the GAA is all about.
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby Plain of the Herbs » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:52 am

Birr tried to 'sign' him around 2002. The proposed transfer failed after GO's frosted car was spotted outside his home in Carrig one winters morn, proving he lived there and not in Birr.
theoutsider wrote:Did Ger Oakley not try to get a transfer to Birr when Offaly were going good at the time? Carraig & Riverstown is a really unique one. But thats what the GAA is all about.
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Re: clubs that play outside their county

Postby timber » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:49 am

Ger was a very honest Offaly servant down through the years. Super fit and athletic. He was the fittest on county panel and extremely strong also.

Wouldn't claim to have the silkiest hurling skills or great hurling wrists but he gave everything on the field. Sound chap to younger lads that came on to the county panel too.
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