Minors hurlers 2022

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Bord na Mona man wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:57 am Lads and lassies,
we can argue all day about various calls, but marginal square ball offences don't get penalised.
Even blatant ones usually get missed.

On another note, I saw Eddie Brennan live tweeted that Corbett shouldn't be getting a red for throwing the stick.
Don't be expecting hurling matches to be suddenly tightly policed without blowback from certain vested interests.

Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown!
A Kilkenny player threw a hurl at a Tipperary opponent in the 2010 All Ireland Final. Tipperary won that one.

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Fairplayalways wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:24 am
Anonymous1 wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:28 pm
Fairplayalways wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:22 pm I am after looking back at this game again and slowing down the play, no Tipp player was in the square when the ball was being struck from the late free, one or two arrived well after (if you could say that in such fast fashion) the ball was actually struck by the Tipp free taker..as much as I hate saying it, the free we were looking for was minimal contact, and not a trip, it looked like it at the time, but on slow mow the referee was right beside it and actually shook his head as in "no no play on" as the Offaly player came out with the ball, Kavanagh put his hand then in around the Tipp forward hence the free in..should he have let him proceed maybe and see would someone else get to him, possibly in hindsight, but look, it panned out as it did..while the Tipp no. 13 is only a gosoon, the throwing of the hurl was nasty, I know he didnt intend to hit him on the side of the head but he flung it fairly hard so momentum was with it and it looked very nasty, had Robinson took one more step the keeper was gone in under him with his hurl and all he had to do was shovel it over the line from his waist, again all very well saying that now, and I know he got a woefuly clatter on the side of the head on way in too, but lordy me, one more step and he was in...look it is as it is..it was a tremendous game to even watch back again tonight knowing the finish..hopefully its a sign of things to come for us in U20 for starters,,
I’m not sure if you read the posts above but the offence is not being in the square when the ball is struck, it’s being in the square before the ball arrives which is clearly the case. The ball isn’t even in shot yet here but there are 2 Tipp players in the square..58F2A8FC-088B-4E3C-BC9B-4A9FCCE18730.jpeg

I also have to disagree with you on the last free, to say it was minimal contact is to be quite honest, a load of nonsense. The Tipp player outstretches his leg underneath Furlong and then hits him with a shoulder into the back, if that’s not a free then I give up.

And on Robinson, he should’ve been awarded a penalty for a deliberate denying of goal-scoring opportunity so it’s unfair to criticise him for not scoring after being hit in the head with a hurl.

Anyway, if you don’t agree with my opinion on that last free or penalty, Brian Gavin does... https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/c ... 09913.html
Wojldnt say me or anyone here is talkinng "nonesense"..again just my oppinion (in cold light of day)....lets just debate it..your stills above, what are the players moving towards and looking up at in the stills if the ball has not arrived..by that logic they would be out at the 14 yd line if they continued their momentum with the positions they are in the stills above..I hear every debate and suggestion, above and below are just mine. ..as for the contact in what we all think should have been and Offaly free, yes, I have seen them given, but have seen them not given too, not just a critical junctures of games but through out, it looked live like he did trip him, I am leaning towards he bodychecked him (lead slightly with the leg as opposed to the foot) and it was enough to send the Offaly player down but I honestly think the ref didnt see enough in it, unfortunately for us and the ref a follow up foul occurred from Offaly within seconds, and that exploded our earlier call for a free out, the goal came and the rest is history. Ref shook his head instantly beside the falling Offaly player that it was no free, so he have to afford him that he was sure there and then.
I am not "criticizing" Robinson for not scoring, he done well to stay going after the belt he got, if he could have managed to go another step (easy to say that I know and he was in live play with a belt to the ear or where ever) but had he managed to take one more step the keeper was gone right in under him and the ball would have found its way to the net..but I am qualifying that clearly in hindsight and never criticized the chap at all nor wouldnt.

Brian Gavin a great referee but the sort that would have let alot go in Sundays game too, Kilkenny have an All Ireland or 2 (or a few semi final wins) where Brian Gavin let too much go too, once the GAA tightened up on rules then Kilkenny had players sent off and success leaned off...accept he is more qualified than me and possibly you but he did let alot go too and being populist letting the game "flow" needs to be balanced with lads getting away with murder..Tommy Walsh poking the hurl at was it Bubble Dwyer and hitting Gavin on the nose, and Gavin said (in jest I might add) he didnt send him off as he wasnt aiming at him and gave a yellow card..so he technically didnt do everything by the book either...look Sunday is one of those days we could debate until the cows come home, we never really put Tipp away when we were on top...and looking back at the game last night, Tipp as bad as they played, kept within arms reach, dug out some great scores too to be honest to keep in it..we were doomed at the finish unfortunately..
Look I agree it’s almost never given but by the letter of the law it is a square ball and at such a critical juncture of the game, it just adds to the sense of frustration with the ref on Sunday.

On the free not given at the end, I think it actually makes it a lot worse that he was so close to the foul yet didn’t seem to spot it. At that stage of the game, it’s so much easier just to give the free out and end the match but I presume he was trying to give Tipp a chance to draw level but never expected them to score a goal at that stage.

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As I walked gingerly out of Nolan Park Sunday still wondering what the hell had happened all I could think of was how proud I was of our boys and the performance they were after putting in. Yes the Ref was harsh on us, but we weren’t the first and won’t be the last county to lose a game over a few very dodgy decisions. I suppose if we’re honest with ourselves we probably wouldn’t have won the 98 All-Ireland only for a certain referee mistake in the semi final replay. These things happen unfortunately and they balance themselves out over time,but isn’t that’s why we love this sport for all the drama I for one wouldn’t change a thing.We we’re hanging on by our fingernails the last few minutes and we could see our lads tiring, tipp throwing caution to the wind & getting a head of steam up, we were praying for final whistle to blow but unfortunately we got caught.
Back to the Team these boys are a credit to the county and there families and clubs, these boys will have there day in the sun if they keep together and keep driving on… what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. The U-20’s last year and these boys this year have lifted the whole county there’s a pep in our step again after years in the doldrums, looking forward to the years ahead….UIBH FHAILI ABU

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Anonymous1 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:04 am

I missed english class yet you aren’t using capital letters at the beginning of sentences, aren’t using capital letters when referring to yourself as “I” and aren’t using full stops? Give me a break...

If you actually read the article you’d notice he didn’t say both teams were hard done by, he said “If Tipperary had reason to fault him in the first half, Offaly had it in the second.” If you hadn’t missed too many english classes you might understand his use of the word “If” in that sentence.

Again, if you actually read the article you’d see that he mentions two incidents not one as you keep suggesting.

Finally, there was “no foul before that” and nobody appealed for at the time nor has appealed for it since except for you because you want something to moan about at 2am...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
the conjunction 'if' can be used as 'a real conditional' for effect (both parts of the sentence are real in other words) and thats how Gavin used it. not falling asleep in english class would have you up on that :wink: so he says both teams had complaints.

the second incident you refer to is actually a discussion on a change of rule...id agree with him on that. but if youre counting it as an 'incident' reference then you need to include a third he mentions - the abuse of the referee following the game. not the sort of crap we need to be talking about but the feds did arrest a lad in front of the old stand & haul him away. there were allegations of assault...didnt see it myself.

the foul before the knicker twisting incident has actually being referred to by someone else on this thread already...didnt you notice? two fouls by offaly one by tipp if we call them such...the first was by offaly so free in correct decision anyway

theres your tabaccer for this evening

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For me the most frustrating aspect of the whole weekend is people’s inability to correctly spell the name of the ground we lost the game in.

It’s NOWLAN Park.

And if you want to give it it’s proper title and spelling it’s UPMC Nowlan Park.

https://hoganstand.com/article/index/305019

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frankthetank wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:00 am For me the most frustrating aspect of the whole weekend is people’s inability to correctly spell the name of the ground we lost the game in.

It’s NOWLAN Park.

And if you want to give it it’s proper title and spelling it’s UPMC Nowlan Park.

https://hoganstand.com/article/index/305019
Sponsors me arse. They'll change like the wind. When the "brand values", "alignment", "partnership" all go South.
I don't intend plugging any of them...except for Dunne Stores Park in Mullingar. That's different.

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frankthetank wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:00 am For me the most frustrating aspect of the whole weekend is people’s inability to correctly spell the name of the ground we lost the game in.

It’s NOWLAN Park.

And if you want to give it it’s proper title and spelling it’s UPMC Nowlan Park.

https://hoganstand.com/article/index/305019
That was the most frustrating part of the weekend???? Seriously???

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So lads & lassies.

Just on the hurl throwing incident. Is that a penalty by the laws of the game of did the referee get it right.

As regards the possible free near the end on John Furlong, yes it was a free but ive seen them not given plenty of times.

As regards the square ball, technically a free out but practically not a hope of getting it.

But i'm confused about the goal scoring opportunity as to whether young Corbett's reckless use of the hurl constitutes an automatic penalty even though he wasn't in the square at the time.

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Hi Lads & Lassies,

Can someone here who knows more than me regarding the rules confirm whether reckless use of the hurl during the Cathal Robinson goal chance incident constitutes a penalty or did the referee call it correctly and just award a free?

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Anonymous1 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:25 pm
Fairplayalways wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:24 am
Anonymous1 wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:28 pm

I’m not sure if you read the posts above but the offence is not being in the square when the ball is struck, it’s being in the square before the ball arrives which is clearly the case. The ball isn’t even in shot yet here but there are 2 Tipp players in the square..58F2A8FC-088B-4E3C-BC9B-4A9FCCE18730.jpeg

I also have to disagree with you on the last free, to say it was minimal contact is to be quite honest, a load of nonsense. The Tipp player outstretches his leg underneath Furlong and then hits him with a shoulder into the back, if that’s not a free then I give up.

And on Robinson, he should’ve been awarded a penalty for a deliberate denying of goal-scoring opportunity so it’s unfair to criticise him for not scoring after being hit in the head with a hurl.

Anyway, if you don’t agree with my opinion on that last free or penalty, Brian Gavin does... https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/c ... 09913.html
Wojldnt say me or anyone here is talkinng "nonesense"..again just my oppinion (in cold light of day)....lets just debate it..your stills above, what are the players moving towards and looking up at in the stills if the ball has not arrived..by that logic they would be out at the 14 yd line if they continued their momentum with the positions they are in the stills above..I hear every debate and suggestion, above and below are just mine. ..as for the contact in what we all think should have been and Offaly free, yes, I have seen them given, but have seen them not given too, not just a critical junctures of games but through out, it looked live like he did trip him, I am leaning towards he bodychecked him (lead slightly with the leg as opposed to the foot) and it was enough to send the Offaly player down but I honestly think the ref didnt see enough in it, unfortunately for us and the ref a follow up foul occurred from Offaly within seconds, and that exploded our earlier call for a free out, the goal came and the rest is history. Ref shook his head instantly beside the falling Offaly player that it was no free, so he have to afford him that he was sure there and then.
I am not "criticizing" Robinson for not scoring, he done well to stay going after the belt he got, if he could have managed to go another step (easy to say that I know and he was in live play with a belt to the ear or where ever) but had he managed to take one more step the keeper was gone right in under him and the ball would have found its way to the net..but I am qualifying that clearly in hindsight and never criticized the chap at all nor wouldnt.

Brian Gavin a great referee but the sort that would have let alot go in Sundays game too, Kilkenny have an All Ireland or 2 (or a few semi final wins) where Brian Gavin let too much go too, once the GAA tightened up on rules then Kilkenny had players sent off and success leaned off...accept he is more qualified than me and possibly you but he did let alot go too and being populist letting the game "flow" needs to be balanced with lads getting away with murder..Tommy Walsh poking the hurl at was it Bubble Dwyer and hitting Gavin on the nose, and Gavin said (in jest I might add) he didnt send him off as he wasnt aiming at him and gave a yellow card..so he technically didnt do everything by the book either...look Sunday is one of those days we could debate until the cows come home, we never really put Tipp away when we were on top...and looking back at the game last night, Tipp as bad as they played, kept within arms reach, dug out some great scores too to be honest to keep in it..we were doomed at the finish unfortunately..
Look I agree it’s almost never given but by the letter of the law it is a square ball and at such a critical juncture of the game, it just adds to the sense of frustration with the ref on Sunday.

On the free not given at the end, I think it actually makes it a lot worse that he was so close to the foul yet didn’t seem to spot it. At that stage of the game, it’s so much easier just to give the free out and end the match but I presume he was trying to give Tipp a chance to draw level but never expected them to score a goal at that stage.
Look with a two poinnt deficit and it was hard to see how Tipp would level it from one chance such as they got (and got the winning goal) also being professional its not the referees job to "give Tipp a a chance to draw level"..he was right on hand beside the free out we think we should have got and shook his head instantly that it was no free so we have to accept that, the tough part was seconds later we did foul and gave the free in which led to the goal..a little bit of mishchief (like the Tipp lad throwing the hurl" would have been clever such as standing too close to the ball or not handing over the ball (if we had it) and disrupt Tipp taking the quick free, look these are all very well in hindsight, but no doubt lads will learn to be cute too..Tipp were...

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Fairplayalways wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:45 pm
Anonymous1 wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:25 pm
Fairplayalways wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:24 am

Wojldnt say me or anyone here is talkinng "nonesense"..again just my oppinion (in cold light of day)....lets just debate it..your stills above, what are the players moving towards and looking up at in the stills if the ball has not arrived..by that logic they would be out at the 14 yd line if they continued their momentum with the positions they are in the stills above..I hear every debate and suggestion, above and below are just mine. ..as for the contact in what we all think should have been and Offaly free, yes, I have seen them given, but have seen them not given too, not just a critical junctures of games but through out, it looked live like he did trip him, I am leaning towards he bodychecked him (lead slightly with the leg as opposed to the foot) and it was enough to send the Offaly player down but I honestly think the ref didnt see enough in it, unfortunately for us and the ref a follow up foul occurred from Offaly within seconds, and that exploded our earlier call for a free out, the goal came and the rest is history. Ref shook his head instantly beside the falling Offaly player that it was no free, so he have to afford him that he was sure there and then.
I am not "criticizing" Robinson for not scoring, he done well to stay going after the belt he got, if he could have managed to go another step (easy to say that I know and he was in live play with a belt to the ear or where ever) but had he managed to take one more step the keeper was gone right in under him and the ball would have found its way to the net..but I am qualifying that clearly in hindsight and never criticized the chap at all nor wouldnt.

Brian Gavin a great referee but the sort that would have let alot go in Sundays game too, Kilkenny have an All Ireland or 2 (or a few semi final wins) where Brian Gavin let too much go too, once the GAA tightened up on rules then Kilkenny had players sent off and success leaned off...accept he is more qualified than me and possibly you but he did let alot go too and being populist letting the game "flow" needs to be balanced with lads getting away with murder..Tommy Walsh poking the hurl at was it Bubble Dwyer and hitting Gavin on the nose, and Gavin said (in jest I might add) he didnt send him off as he wasnt aiming at him and gave a yellow card..so he technically didnt do everything by the book either...look Sunday is one of those days we could debate until the cows come home, we never really put Tipp away when we were on top...and looking back at the game last night, Tipp as bad as they played, kept within arms reach, dug out some great scores too to be honest to keep in it..we were doomed at the finish unfortunately..
Look I agree it’s almost never given but by the letter of the law it is a square ball and at such a critical juncture of the game, it just adds to the sense of frustration with the ref on Sunday.

On the free not given at the end, I think it actually makes it a lot worse that he was so close to the foul yet didn’t seem to spot it. At that stage of the game, it’s so much easier just to give the free out and end the match but I presume he was trying to give Tipp a chance to draw level but never expected them to score a goal at that stage.
Look with a two poinnt deficit and it was hard to see how Tipp would level it from one chance such as they got (and got the winning goal) also being professional its not the referees job to "give Tipp a a chance to draw level"..he was right on hand beside the free out we think we should have got and shook his head instantly that it was no free so we have to accept that, the tough part was seconds later we did foul and gave the free in which led to the goal..a little bit of mishchief (like the Tipp lad throwing the hurl" would have been clever such as standing too close to the ball or not handing over the ball (if we had it) and disrupt Tipp taking the quick free, look these are all very well in hindsight, but no doubt lads will learn to be cute too..Tipp were...
There was time on the clock when he gave Tipp that free which is why we had a final chance to draw level after their goal so the ref was almost certainly thinking they’d pop the free over and hope to win the puck out and send it to extra time. It might not be the ref’s job to “give Tipp a a chance to draw level" but if we’re being honest, we all know every ref plays for a draw late on in tight games. Shaking his head doesn’t mean he made the right decision, it further embeds how poor of a decision it was that he seen it and didn’t award the free.

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Anonymous1 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm Shaking his head doesn’t mean he made the right decision, it further embeds how poor of a decision it was that he seen it and didn’t award the free.
maybe the worst decision was the No 6 jumping up on the Tipp subs back seconds later

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fifitrixiebelle wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:15 pm
Anonymous1 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm Shaking his head doesn’t mean he made the right decision, it further embeds how poor of a decision it was that he seen it and didn’t award the free.
maybe the worst decision was the No 6 jumping up on the Tipp subs back seconds later
Ah, the Offaly obsessed Tipp fan is back... must have a fun life.

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Anonymous1 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:58 pm
fifitrixiebelle wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:15 pm
Anonymous1 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm Shaking his head doesn’t mean he made the right decision, it further embeds how poor of a decision it was that he seen it and didn’t award the free.
maybe the worst decision was the No 6 jumping up on the Tipp subs back seconds later
Ah, the Offaly obsessed Tipp fan is back... must have a fun life.
same lad doing his Boris Johnson imitation 😉😀

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Herewego wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:53 pm Hi Lads & Lassies,

Can someone here who knows more than me regarding the rules confirm whether reckless use of the hurl during the Cathal Robinson goal chance incident constitutes a penalty or did the referee call it correctly and just award a free?

Cheers
On that, the referee called it correctly. The rule about denying a clear goalscoring opportunity only applies at senior intercounty level, so Shane Glynn couldn't have applied any heavier sanction than he did - free in, and straight red card.

You could argue that the punishment should be more severe, because Tipperary definitely benefited from the foul - in part because the keeper had closed down the space before Cathal got his bearings, and in part because the referee very clearly did that referee thing of favouring the team with 14 men from then on, but on this particular call, he got it right.
Kevin Egan. Signed out of respect for players and all involved with Offaly.

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