Re: Senior A Football 2019
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:47 pm
The criss cross format allows for 4 games rather than three. Group 1 teams play group 2 teams.
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Pretty much, I'd say. Though I'm sure if you asked the clubs, and the county board finance committee, they'd say that's a significant benefit.Keyser Soze wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:52 pm That seems a little bit pointless?
Is the extra game the only benefit?
St. Brigids & Ballycommon I know voted against it, so it wasn't unanimous. Not sure if any others did.
Rather ironically, the teams that the new format has benefited and cost from getting knockout places respectively.Geansai Gorm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:00 pmSt. Brigids & Ballycommon I know voted against it, so it wasn't unanimous. Not sure if any others did.
Thats a shame for Ballycommon so. Ye are good enough to win the relegation match but thats little consolation.Geansai Gorm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:00 pmSt. Brigids & Ballycommon I know voted against it, so it wasn't unanimous. Not sure if any others did.
As I said, I'd have felt very uneasy had it been Shamrocks that got eliminated after winning three games. Tullamore had already lost a game and they knew that if they beat Clara they were in (Ferbane were in the same situation) and Tullamore weren't able to deliver. On that basis, I don't think their elimination is a miscarriage of justice.italia90 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:30 pm Lone shark i think the problem is that you can be knocked out by a team you havent played. If tullamore played shamrocks and were beaten then fair enough. I was at Shamrocks game and the biggest roar of the day was when word came through that Clara scored a goal. Suppose Tullamore won that game and Shamrocks would have been eliminated based on the fact they played Gracefield away on first day, where they were always going to be at their most competitive and in turn lose out on score difference. I understand some of your points and i know its difficult to please everybody. On a side note I dont like quarter finals in an 8 team championship.
That would still will be an issue for this years championship. Just say Shamrocks Ferbane and Tullamore all finished on 6 points. Then it would be score difference to determine the 2nd place team. One team could argue advantage of a home fixture versus an away or neutral venue against the same team (say Gracefield). Then it is not comparative.Lone Shark wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:56 pm I'd agree that four qualifiers out of eight should be enough. Bottom teams in each group into a relegation final and third place done for the year would incentivise finishing as high up the table as possible, and to me that would be the way to go all right.
I would agree with that idea. The initiative in this year's championships is a good idea. With a few adjustments for 2020, 4 semi finalists, it could be a success.Lone Shark wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:56 pmAs I said, I'd have felt very uneasy had it been Shamrocks that got eliminated after winning three games. Tullamore had already lost a game and they knew that if they beat Clara they were in (Ferbane were in the same situation) and Tullamore weren't able to deliver. On that basis, I don't think their elimination is a miscarriage of justice.italia90 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:30 pm Lone shark i think the problem is that you can be knocked out by a team you havent played. If tullamore played shamrocks and were beaten then fair enough. I was at Shamrocks game and the biggest roar of the day was when word came through that Clara scored a goal. Suppose Tullamore won that game and Shamrocks would have been eliminated based on the fact they played Gracefield away on first day, where they were always going to be at their most competitive and in turn lose out on score difference. I understand some of your points and i know its difficult to please everybody. On a side note I dont like quarter finals in an 8 team championship.
If the aim of the game is to get the six (or four) best teams into the knockouts, then this system doesn't work, but some element of luck of the draw is nice to have too.
I'd agree that four qualifiers out of eight should be enough. Bottom teams in each group into a relegation final and third place done for the year would incentivise finishing as high up the table as possible, and to me that would be the way to go all right.
There's no clear right or wrong answer on this, there are obviously advantages on all sides. Just to pick up on a few points though:kaiserchief wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:44 pmThat would still will be an issue for this years championship. Just say Shamrocks Ferbane and Tullamore all finished on 6 points. Then it would be score difference to determine the 2nd place team. One team could argue advantage of a home fixture versus an away or neutral venue against the same team (say Gracefield). Then it is not comparative.Lone Shark wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:56 pm I'd agree that four qualifiers out of eight should be enough. Bottom teams in each group into a relegation final and third place done for the year would incentivise finishing as high up the table as possible, and to me that would be the way to go all right.
The system is not set up for success. Think it needs to go back to play your own group. I know it 3 games versus 4 but this year the fourth game in most groups were void. At least this way its head to head first and then score difference when deciding group positioning. Keep the QF's and play opposite group team in SF.
System was tried, didn't work, park it and move forward.
A better system to improve standard of Offaly football for me would be go with Westmeaths system to incorporate Senior A and B. Top 2 from Senior B get a quarter final against top 2 of senior A (and will play in senior a the next year, two botton teams to senior b the next year but can still have a shot at winning Senior A championship). second plays 3rd in the other quarter finals. Give 16 team the chance of winning the Senior A championship.
I agree. Both system needs to align. 7 championship games in the hurling for dual clubs is ridiculous. It's ok for the likes of Shinrone whom don't have a football team but is killing clubs like Belmont, Shamrocks, Tullamore whom are "trying" to compete at Senior level in both.Lone Shark wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:29 pm
(3) The other thing with that is that unless the hurling goes back to a similar system, you'll have to go back to a couple of games played in late March/early April - and most clubs don't want to go back to that. Even if the hurlers do the same, you still have no leeway for a weekend where games get rained off, where there's a postponement due to a bereavement, or anything like that.