Offaly Club Hurling C'ship 2016

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Also on a side note. I heard there was an altercation between a ref and player after a match last weekend. i heard it Monday last week but i thought when i hear the player involved it was rubbish.
I'm not putting up the match or the ref as i wasn't at the match but it now been said to me a lot of times now, including to me by a Kilkenny man in Croker yesterday who was wondering if i was at the match and what happened.
It's got to the point where is the 1st thing people are tell me when i ask about the match.
Is there any true to this at all?
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Toxicity234 wrote:Agree with almost everything in the last few posts.
We need to have more competitive game. 100% agree.

The other thing with this format the 1st 4 games can be played without inter county players, Yeah it will weaking the established team but it won't adversely effect the team over the whole championship(if there good enough) and has the advantage of given club players games in May and june at least.
When club delegates vote to allow clubs play club championship games without county players, that will be the end of clubs. We always hear that "Clubs are the bedrock of the Association" but reality is somewhat different. In Offaly strong consideration was being given 2/3 years ago to having football clubs who had club football players on the county senior hurling panel, play their club football championship games without these players. While county players have been released for championship games, Clubs have been granted access to their county players for a mere 3 day preparation period before championship games. The new structure to the Offaly football championship has thankfully eliminated this issue.

The club league programe should be played over a 10 month period, with all county players released to their clubs for all league games. The League should have the status of the second best competition in the county. Division 1 should reflect the best 10 teams in the county, Division 2 with next best 10 teams with promotion & relegation.

A new competition could be introduced on a regional basis during the period March to June involving Senior & Intermediate club teams without any members of any county panel.

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A Clareen player put his hands on an offical after the Birr game and they have got a long ban.

Anyone hear any different?

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Sharp Eye wrote:
Toxicity234 wrote:Agree with almost everything in the last few posts.
We need to have more competitive game. 100% agree.

The other thing with this format the 1st 4 games can be played without inter county players, Yeah it will weaking the established team but it won't adversely effect the team over the whole championship(if there good enough) and has the advantage of given club players games in May and june at least.
When club delegates vote to allow clubs play club championship games without county players, that will be the end of clubs. We always hear that "Clubs are the bedrock of the Association" but reality is somewhat different. In Offaly strong consideration was being given 2/3 years ago to having football clubs who had club football players on the county senior hurling panel, play their club football championship games without these players. While county players have been released for championship games, Clubs have been granted access to their county players for a mere 3 day preparation period before championship games. The new structure to the Offaly football championship has thankfully eliminated this issue.

The club league programe should be played over a 10 month period, with all county players released to their clubs for all league games. The League should have the status of the second best competition in the county. Division 1 should reflect the best 10 teams in the county, Division 2 with next best 10 teams with promotion & relegation.

A new competition could be introduced on a regional basis during the period March to June involving Senior & Intermediate club teams without any members of any county panel.
There a lot of issue around the structure.
No county manager will release player to clubs cause competitive club games are not as good for players as gym work and yoga apart from one Brian Cody but Cody has been know to stop players playing with there clubs while letting other play.
Which is a issue as well. But lets be fair if a player got on injured in a club game we be here complaining that he played the game.
It's impossible to get a structure that won't have flaws.
A secondary competitions would be treated by clubs as that just, not as important as the championship.
you can understand why that would be done for managers as well. Every club player and manager want to a county championship.
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Sharp Eye wrote: When club delegates vote to allow clubs play club championship games without county players, that will be the end of clubs.
Absolutely - however I don't think for a minute that any club delegate would ever support this.

Sharp Eye wrote:
Toxicity234 wrote: The club league programe should be played over a 10 month period, with all county players released to their clubs for all league games. The League should have the status of the second best competition in the county. Division 1 should reflect the best 10 teams in the county, Division 2 with next best 10 teams with promotion & relegation.
Can you elaborate on this?

First of all, the league is the second most important competition in the county - the problem is that in Offaly, it's championship first and nothing else matters. We are comparatively unusual in that.

Secondly, what ten months are you talking about? Bear in mind here that access to county players between May and July is always going to minimal, and impossible to anticipate in advance (completely dependent on the how the county teams perform in Leinster).

Also, I don't know of a single team in Offaly that would have an appetite for league games in late autumn and winter, and certainly not when their championship campaigns are over. You're a Rynaghs man yourself - if Rynaghs happened to lose a county quarter final in early September, do you really think lads would happily train on for another few months for the sake of a league competition?
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0809/8 ... g-dispute/

Club Vs County problems. Harsh on the clubs.
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Toxicity234 wrote:http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0809/8 ... g-dispute/

Club Vs County problems. Harsh on the clubs.
It is, but there is one key difference here - the county board didn't say that the players couldn't play, the players took the decision themselves. If the county board put off the games up until the second weekend in September (the next available opportunity to play the games) then that would be another five weeks idle for the club players involved, which wouldn't be right either. From what I can tell, the Tipperary county board did the right thing here and the issue is between the clubs and their own players, that chose not to make themselves available.
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greenairfield wrote:A Clareen player put his hands on an offical after the Birr game and they have got a long ban.

Anyone hear any different?
48 week ban I believe.
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Lone Shark wrote:
Toxicity234 wrote:http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0809/8 ... g-dispute/

Club Vs County problems. Harsh on the clubs.
It is, but there is one key difference here - the county board didn't say that the players couldn't play, the players took the decision themselves. If the county board put off the games up until the second weekend in September (the next available opportunity to play the games) then that would be another five weeks idle for the club players involved, which wouldn't be right either. From what I can tell, the Tipperary county board did the right thing here and the issue is between the clubs and their own players, that chose not to make themselves available.
Have to admit that i was under the impression that the football management had asked them not to play the game but didn't have the rule book on there side. The players back the football management team.
I can see both side of this argument.
If your inter county management asked you not to. Well your going to say ok.
Clubs to me should have played the fixture but the clubs would want everyone available.
still Harsh on the clubs but all that said they should have filled the fixture.
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Lone Shark wrote:

Sharp Eye wrote:
Toxicity234 wrote: The club league programe should be played over a 10 month period, with all county players released to their clubs for all league games. The League should have the status of the second best competition in the county. Division 1 should reflect the best 10 teams in the county, Division 2 with next best 10 teams with promotion & relegation.
Can you elaborate on this?
The League should be played over 10 months Feb-Nov. The fact that county players have not been released for League games has devalued the status of the League in Offaly. County players must be released for all League games. 3 Teams for Promotion/Relegation, Top 4 teams for League semi-finals. Clubs to play a minimum of 4 league games before first club championship game. One League game to be played during "Inter-County period" (May/June). Semi-Finals & Final in November.
Championship to be operated in groups of 4, with first round in late July.
Third competition ("club-players") involving senior & intermediate clubs, to be played on a regional basis during April/May/June.

Club players want more competitive games, spread out over 9/10 months. It may take a few years for the League to gain a true status, but the stronger teams will want to retain Division 1 status & Division 2 teams will work hard in order to gain promotion to Division 1. Remember, currently clubs who finish 3rd in their senior football groups will have their season finished before Sept 1st with their next truly competitive fixture not until the following July.

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Sharp Eye wrote: The League should be played over 10 months Feb-Nov. The fact that county players have not been released for League games has devalued the status of the League in Offaly. County players must be released for all League games. 3 Teams for Promotion/Relegation, Top 4 teams for League semi-finals. Clubs to play a minimum of 4 league games before first club championship game. One League game to be played during "Inter-County period" (May/June). Semi-Finals & Final in November.
Championship to be operated in groups of 4, with first round in late July.
Third competition ("club-players") involving senior & intermediate clubs, to be played on a regional basis during April/May/June.

Club players want more competitive games, spread out over 9/10 months. It may take a few years for the League to gain a true status, but the stronger teams will want to retain Division 1 status & Division 2 teams will work hard in order to gain promotion to Division 1. Remember, currently clubs who finish 3rd in their senior football groups will have their season finished before Sept 1st with their next truly competitive fixture not until the following July.
So what you're saying is four games played between February and April, one in May/June (which is not always realistic, there was no weekend when that was an option this year) and then four more round robin games after the group stages of the championship finish in September?

Regardless of the availability of county players or otherwise, I think you'll struggle to get clubs interested in the league at that time of year. A lot of lads will go back playing club soccer and rugby, others will appreciate the downtime, others will head off back to college and not have any interest in travelling home - and that's before you factor in clubs going deep into the county championship, and on into Leinster.
Kevin Egan. Signed out of respect for players and all involved with Offaly.

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Friday 12/8/16
Lusmagh GAA(---)v(---)Shinrone
Senior Hurling Championship Group 2 Round 4
Clareen 7:00 PM
Referee: Ger Connors

Poor Lusmagh are struggling at the moment but long term they have good hurler coming through. Shinrone are ahead of Lusmagh in there development. So a win for Shinrone i think. Some great hurler in the age braked 17 to 23 on show in this game well normally. Ger Connors as a ref has a habit of picking a side and favouring them. If your on the wrong side of this. it can be very frustration and with young lads they which leads to stupid cards.

Saturday 13th Aug 2016
St Rynagh's Hurling Club(---)v(---)Belmont GAA
Senior Hurling Championship Group 2 Round 4
Birr 3:15 PM
Referee: Martin Walsh
Game of the weekend for me. Rynagh are better than last year with Tracey at centre back. Belmont are potential one of the best in Offaly. If both play to there potential Rynagh's should have too much but that Belmont half back Mark Egan and David Kenny have to ablity to run a game. Hoping for a cracker. Rynagh by 4.

Coolderry(---)v(---)Seir Kieran
Senior Hurling Championship Group 1 Round 4
Birr 4:45 PM
Referee: Noel Flynn
Coolderry were poor the last day. Kieran will be disappointed after throwing away a win position. Kieran should win this on form but If the Coolderry half back line get themselves together and just stop the ball from going over there head they have improved 10 fold.

Tullamore/An Tulach Mhór(---)v(---)Birr
Senior Hurling Championship Group 1 Round 4
Kinnitty 11:30 AM
Referee: Kieran Dooley

Birr are flying. Kiwarn is a direct manager and its great to see Birr playing the game they its meant to be play. Hanniffy in an attacking position to use his pure hurling skill. Birr are moving in the correct way. they also have a hardness they been missing for a while. tullamore are looking down not up so it's hard to know where they heads will be for this game.

Kilcormac-Killoughey(---)v(---)Ballinamere
Senior Hurling Championship Group 2 Round 4
Moystown 11:30 AM
Referee: Shane Guinan
Ballinamere had a good win the last day. Haven't seen them this year so it hard to know where they are. Kilcormac Killoughey won't be too upset after drawing against Belmont. The worring thing from Kilcormac Killoughey isn't the results it the fact that there forwards are working hard but not working smart. There lots of running but the forwards are not getting into positions to make a pass easy. Still only the early and lot of time to get these thing sorted. The 3 young defender and a new forward all getting experience at the top club level.

Kinnitty(---)v(---)Na Seamróga
Senior Hurling Championship Group 1 Round 4
Killeigh 6:30 PM
Referee: TBC
Kinnitty were excellent last day and should have too much fire power from Shamrock as long as they get keep there eye on the ball.

Looking forward to going to Birr.
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Went down to Birr on Saturday and saw two different types of games tbh. St. Rynaghs certainly have a very talented team of players and were at times in complete control of the game but to be fair to Belmont they attacked with a lot of quality and were very close to causing an upset. The way Rynaghs play is some what open, a lot of quality passing and score taking but they can be vulnerable in defense when this breaks down. Oisin Kelly continues to impress me and it looked like Colin Egan played even though he appeared injured before the throw in. They also lost there wing back before halftime so all in all Belmont are going in the right direction.
Coolderry got their championship off the ground in the second game. Obviously some of their players have returned from injury and they were fairly solid in defense. Clareen will be disappointed as they were well out hurled in the first half and could have been further behind only for a couple of refereeing decisions. They fought back well in the second half through Joe bergin. Barry Teehan and Brian Carroll steadied Coolderry and with Carroll and sub Will Malone scoring two fine points they deserverd the win. St. Rynaghs, Birr, KK look good but with kinnity and belmont improving and Coolderry showing they aren't finished yet it will be an interesting year yet.

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Top scorers after four rounds of the Senior championship

(42) Colm Coughlan 1-39
(37) Ciarán Slevin 3-28
(35) Stephen Quirke 3-26
(34) Paddy Murphy 0-34
(34) Oisín Kelly 4-22
(32) Dónal Morkan 1-29
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Plain of the Herbs wrote:Top scorers after four rounds of the Senior championship

(42) Colm Coughlan 1-39
(37) Ciarán Slevin 3-28
(35) Stephen Quirke 3-26
(34) Paddy Murphy 0-34
(34) Oisín Kelly 4-22
(32) Dónal Morkan 1-29
Am I right (as a Laois Man) in saying that there is no Birr player in that list?
Despite them topping their group with an average of 21/22 points per game. That's a good sign of a team.
From personal experience Paddy Kirwan is a good manager who is wrongly stereotyped because of his sometimes overactive mouth.The man has a good record with clubs.

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