LSHC 30th May Offaly v Antrim Parnell Park 3:30pm

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Re: LSHC 30th May Offaly v Antrim Parnell Park 3:30pm

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Yeah both games in Portlaoise now,not Croke Park.
Kilkenny vs Laois/Dublin 2:00 p.m
Offaly vs Galway 4:00 p.m

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The Leinster SHC semi-finals are definitely being played at CROKE PARK as a double-header on June 20. It's a complete flier without any foundation to say they've been switched to O'Moore Park. The games were set for Croke Park before last weekend's results.
Check the link on the Leinster Council website...
http://leinster.gaa.ie/fixtures/guinnes ... urling.asp

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I hope to God this link is correct and puts the whole issue to bed once and for all:

http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/0 ... june-2010/
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I'd perfer Croke Park, this is on Hoganstand. Still I think the following could be a mistake by Hoganstand and Pot Noodle is prob right.



Leinster SHC double-header set for Portlaoise
01 June 2010


O'Moore Park in Portlaoise will host the two Leinster SHC semi-finals on Sunday, June 20.

All-Ireland champions Kilkenny will play Laois or Dublin at 2pm, followed by Galway versus Offaly at 4pm. Last year, Leinster chiefs decided to play the semi-finals at separate venues with Kilkenny and Galway meeting at Tullamore and Dublin and Wexford facing off at Nowlan Park.

The Leinster Council has also confirmed that their two minor hurling semi-finals involving Dublin and Wexford, and Offaly and Kilkenny, will be played on Saturday, June 26 at Parnell Park and O'Connor Park respectively. The minor final will be played as a double-header with the senior final at Croke Park on Sunday, July 4.

The winners of the Dublin versus Kildare ESB Leinster MFC quarter-final second replay in Navan on Tuesday, June 29 will have just four days to prepare for a semi-final against Longford in Pearse Park on Saturday, July 3.

In the other semi-final, Offaly will entertain Laois in Tullamore on Wednesday, June 30. The Leinster minor and senior football finals will be played at Croke Park on Sunday, July 11.

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Portlaoise or Croke Park

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The confusion has arisen because the Irish Independent today reported that the double header was fixed for Portlaoise here http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic- ... 01982.html contradicting the Irish Times which tells us the matches have been fixed for Croke Park here http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/spo ... 84406.html
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Okay, I discounted last year’s ‘championship’ match on the grounds that Antrim weren’t bothered, being content to secure their top-flight future in the boardroom. Offaly, on the other hand, were determined to put the relegation issue to bed on the field.

A better barometer might have been last year’s NHL match in Tullamore. That was in the final round, in ideal conditions, and Antrim still had a chance of reaching the final. Derek Molloy’s 30th minute goal extended a 2 point lead to 5. Offaly led by 9 early in the 2nd half, but 5 Antrim points without reply left just 4 in it with 13 minutes to go, but Offaly reasserted themselves to win by 8.

Previous Offaly – Antrim meetings were in 1985, ’89. ’98 & ’99. Offaly may have won 3 of those 4, but back then Offaly were a match for the best; in fact Offaly won the All-Ireland in two of those years. As you know Offaly have deteriorated since then, so results from that by-gone era aren’t a factor. A red herring, just like the statistic that Galway had never beaten Wexford that was being bandied about last week.

Antrim’s league form. Antrim won 2 & lost 5, but they also ran Clare to a point in Ennis. Perhaps they were in heavy training; perhaps they fielded experimental teams. I don’t know, maybe you do. Either way, not a reliable barometer.

Offaly’s league form. Offaly won 2 & lost 5, beating Dublin, made Limerick look a good side in the process of a 1 point win. The Tipperary match was played at challenge match pace. The Waterford match was on TG4, which was played at walking pace. They certainly didn’t indicate a cakewalk over Antrim was in the offing. Never mind how other teams do against, let’s say, division 2 teams (I hate the term ‘weaker county’. Other teams try to hurl by dominating possession, Offaly don’t.

As for the bookmakers odds – well the market got that spectacularly wrong, didn’t they.

All of that is even before one considers that Antrim had a manager from just over the county boundary, Cloughjordan, who had significant local knowledge of the Offaly team. Then there’s Antrim’s physicality and their greater catching ability.

Mention of physicality, how was Gareth McGhee not sent off for his wild pull on Rory Hanniffy at the end line down at the far end? That incident alone was worthy of a five-minute segment on The Sunday Game.
backofthenet wrote:What makes me think Offaly are 15 - 20 points better than antrim

Ok last year they met in the championship with Offaly coming out on top by 18 points, Offaly have met Antrim 6 times in championship hurling, winning 5 of the 6, the average margin of those 5 winning occasions was 15 points. Antrim struggled badly in division 2 this year, Offaly have maintained division 1 status, having ran Galway, Tipperary & Waterford close. If anyone suggested that any of those three teams were 20 - 30 points clear of Antrim no one would bat an eyelid. Also take a look at the odds offered before the game...antrim were as much as 10 - 1 before the off.
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If you can't tell the difference between the way Offaly hurl vis-a-vis the way Galway, Dublin and the rest hurl then you've got some catching up to do. You keep dining out of Offaly's win over Dublin - the rest of us have moved on.
leinsterman wrote:How do you make out that Dublin started to go places when they stopped hurling like offaly if thats the case why haven't Dublin won anything if they hurl like offaly
after the league game this year they may go back to play like us so as we were far the better team that day. they got to a leinster final last year fair enough but kilkenny
were only stretching their legs in the final. they also when on to lose to limerick who were bet bye 29 points or around that after bye tipp.
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Thoughts on the match...
There was nothing that should surprise anyone from Offaly in Parnell Park on Sunday.
A tight pitch, Antrim fired up, Offaly probably thinking they'd get the win.
Add in a Leix ref happy to let a bit of man-to-man combat take place and a few Offaly players who wouldn’t be renowned for their aggression.

Offaly could have had no complaints had they lost. They allowed Antrim to cruise into a 1-2 to no score lead in the first few minutes. Got their act together and hit 1-8 without reply. Normal service resumed? The Tipps and Galways of the hurling world would look to ram in a couple of goals and demoralise a reeling Antrim at that stage, but Offaly didn’t have the instinct or ability to do so.

The two Antrim goals that went in before half time introduced the element of chaos and self doubt into the Offaly back line that then seemed to ripple throughout the team. Remarkably Offaly had an extra defender when all this happened as Antrim had withdrawn a corner forward to midfield. Once Antrim had been given a platform and a bit of self belief, Offaly were in for serious afternoon’s hurling.

A new goalkeeper and full back by half time gives some indication of the mire Offaly were in. In one way Offaly were lucky the collapse happened in the first half rather than with about 20 minutes to go.

For most of the game Antrim played cleverer hurling, while Offaly were seriously rattled. Antrim used the width of pitch better at times. Offaly were the players constantly turning into crowded areas and trouble. Some of the Antrim high catching from puck outs was excellent also.

In the end a bit of ill luck and panic cost Antrim. The trip on Hanniffy for the equalizing free was needless as he had still a lot of work to do to get space to shoot. Such is the way of the world. Offaly teams have often done the same when in the same sort of scenario.

If Offaly are in any way capable of putting it up to Galway, this game was the best thing that could have happened.
Chances are though, it simply demonstrates why Offaly haven't made the Quarter Finals in 7 years.

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Just to illustrate the 'Offaly way' of hurling at work.
On two occasions in the first half David Kenny got the ball in his hand around the '45 when he was still centre back.

On the first occasion, he looked up and dinked a 50 metre puck towards the left wing. A split second after he hit it, Brendan Kelly berated him from the sideline by bellowing "DRIVE IT!" at Kenny. The end of the yell coinciding with the ball dropping into the mitt of an unmarked Brian Carroll who was able to tap it over the bar with relative ease.

A few minutes Kenny did the same - picked out a target in the forwards and directed a less than full powered puck to hand and got the same treatment from Kelly. It didn't lead to a score but it was a great ball to play.

Just a couple of small examples of the sort of 'year zero' thinking that still goes on in Offaly hurling.
So long as players are being instructed to belt it as far away and as soon as possible, there is little prospect of bridging the gap with more tactically advanced hurling counties.
Away, whip, pull, get rid of it, drive it, don't be messin' with it are probably the sort of phrases that would probably get planted in the mind of a young lad learning to hurl in Offaly.

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Plain of the Herbs wrote:If you can't tell the difference between the way Offaly hurl vis-a-vis the way Galway, Dublin and the rest hurl then you've got some catching up to do. You keep dining out of Offaly's win over Dublin - the rest of us have moved on.
leinsterman wrote:How do you make out that Dublin started to go places when they stopped hurling like offaly if thats the case why haven't Dublin won anything if they hurl like offaly
after the league game this year they may go back to play like us so as we were far the better team that day. they got to a leinster final last year fair enough but kilkenny
were only stretching their legs in the final. they also when on to lose to limerick who were bet bye 29 points or around that after bye tipp.
it seems to me anytime anyone makes a point here you are quick to shoot them down, plus bring up backofthenets club when it had nothing to do with the antrim offaly game
which he wasn't long putting you straight on .

as this catching up with Dublin hurling i think you are reading to much of the star newspaper or the media that are blowing up Dublin hurling, yes we are well behind kilkenny and cork
tipp but Dublin i don't think so maybe laois might show you how far Dublin are ahead of us after next weekend. but ease up mush we are only having an old chat about the games
everyone will have different views on things. :wink:

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Bord na Mona man wrote:Just to illustrate the 'Offaly way' of hurling at work.
On two occasions in the first half David Kenny got the ball in his hand around the '45 when he was still centre back.

On the first occasion, he looked up and dinked a 50 metre puck towards the left wing. A split second after he hit it, Brendan Kelly berated him from the sideline by bellowing "DRIVE IT!" at Kenny. The end of the yell coinciding with the ball dropping into the mitt of an unmarked Brian Carroll who was able to tap it over the bar with relative ease.

A few minutes Kenny did the same - picked out a target in the forwards and directed a less than full powered puck to hand and got the same treatment from Kelly. It didn't lead to a score but it was a great ball to play.

Just a couple of small examples of the sort of 'year zero' thinking that still goes on in Offaly hurling.
So long as players are being instructed to belt it as far away and as soon as possible, there is little prospect of bridging the gap with more tactically advanced hurling counties.
Away, whip, pull, get rid of it, drive it, don't be messin' with it are probably the sort of phrases that would probably get planted in the mind of a young lad learning to hurl in Offaly.
Thats a lot of the problem Brendan Kelly and co haven't a clue what they are doing, keep picking the same players that are took off in every match.
can't see them doing anything different again galway as the same lads will be on again, the subs won't save us that day i don't think.

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Bord na Mona man wrote:Just to illustrate the 'Offaly way' of hurling at work.
On two occasions in the first half David Kenny got the ball in his hand around the '45 when he was still centre back.

On the first occasion, he looked up and dinked a 50 metre puck towards the left wing. A split second after he hit it, Brendan Kelly berated him from the sideline by bellowing "DRIVE IT!" at Kenny. The end of the yell coinciding with the ball dropping into the mitt of an unmarked Brian Carroll who was able to tap it over the bar with relative ease.

A few minutes Kenny did the same - picked out a target in the forwards and directed a less than full powered puck to hand and got the same treatment from Kelly. It didn't lead to a score but it was a great ball to play.

Just a couple of small examples of the sort of 'year zero' thinking that still goes on in Offaly hurling.
So long as players are being instructed to belt it as far away and as soon as possible, there is little prospect of bridging the gap with more tactically advanced hurling counties.
Away, whip, pull, get rid of it, drive it, don't be messin' with it are probably the sort of phrases that would probably get planted in the mind of a young lad learning to hurl in Offaly.
That kind of stone age mindset makes my blood boil. Jebus, it's hard to believe such one-dimensional drivel still exists in the mind of some people never mind the management of a senior inter-county team. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic for Offaly hurling.

Kenny had a right to tell Kelly where to go, and if substituted for petulance then speak his case to the media afterwards. Imagine how ridiculous it would look in print. Something like this perhaps:


Local Hack: 'So Offaly Selector, why did you substitue David Kenny today? He was playing well at the time.'

Offaly Selector: 'Well it's very simple Local Hack. David passed the ball, accurately and with intent, twice from defence straight into the hand of an unmarked teammate in attack. Clearly we couldn't allow that to stand.'

Local Hack: 'What?'




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Slieve Bloom Man wrote:I'd perfer Croke Park, this is on Hoganstand. Still I think the following could be a mistake by Hoganstand and Pot Noodle is prob right.



Leinster SHC double-header set for Portlaoise
01 June 2010


O'Moore Park in Portlaoise will host the two Leinster SHC semi-finals on Sunday, June 20.

All-Ireland champions Kilkenny will play Laois or Dublin at 2pm, followed by Galway versus Offaly at 4pm. Last year, Leinster chiefs decided to play the semi-finals at separate venues with Kilkenny and Galway meeting at Tullamore and Dublin and Wexford facing off at Nowlan Park.

The Leinster Council has also confirmed that their two minor hurling semi-finals involving Dublin and Wexford, and Offaly and Kilkenny, will be played on Saturday, June 26 at Parnell Park and O'Connor Park respectively. The minor final will be played as a double-header with the senior final at Croke Park on Sunday, July 4.

The winners of the Dublin versus Kildare ESB Leinster MFC quarter-final second replay in Navan on Tuesday, June 29 will have just four days to prepare for a semi-final against Longford in Pearse Park on Saturday, July 3.

In the other semi-final, Offaly will entertain Laois in Tullamore on Wednesday, June 30. The Leinster minor and senior football finals will be played at Croke Park on Sunday, July 11.

Hoganstand is good for nothing only ripping stories off the papers without doing any background work themselves. Cliona Foley erroneously stated in the Independent that the games would be in Portlaoise and they ran with that. The Leinster Council had sent an email yesterday morning confirming that the games would be in Croke Park, which she obviously misread. Those on Hoganstand didn't have the cop-on or the will to check which of the conflicting stories were correct.

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just heard gerry russell on the radio and the match according to him is definetly fixed for cusack park.. 100% sure..

ahno lads take look at what the galway boys are saying..
http://ghurlingadmin.proboards.com/inde ... thread=977

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beirut wrote:Is Gerry Russell for real? Tuned into MR3 on the Internet to hear Gerry Russell saying that some of the Offaly crowd were heading for the exits as we were 5 points down. I was expecting that the games was nearly over, only for him to say that there was 23 minutes gone in the second half. Surely they were heading for the hot dogs, anticipating the extra-time?
Five minutes to go. Gerry was probably experiencing a bout of premature elaboration...if ye catch my drift folks.

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