Any thoughts on the forthcoming convention?
Elections for the following:
Chairman
Ollie Daly
Alo Kelly (rumours that he's opting out)
Paudge Mulhare
Pat Teehan
Secretary
Christy Todd
Jim Buckley
Central Council Rep
Brian Whelahan
Mick Spain
Leinster Council Reps (2)
Brian Coolohan
Eamon Flynn
Andy Gallagher
Jimmy Hogan
Alo Kelly
Irish Officer
Kevin Corrigan
Paddy Duffy
Leinster Council Rep and Irish Officer
Motions:
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
BYE-LAW MOTIONS
1 The following Bye-Law be introduced:
That no person be elected or appointed to any committee, selector, in any way pertaining to the G.A.A. if she/he is not a registered member of the Association. (Clara)
2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read:
“The County Games Administration Committee, shall be responsible for all arrangements, for control of, and any matters, including Discipline, arising from games under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. This Committee, which shall be appointed/elected annually, by the County Committee, at the first meeting of the County Committee each year, shall consist of the Vice-Chairperson and Secretary or Assistant Secretary of the County Committee, who shall be Chairperson and Secretary respectively, a representative of Coiste na nOg and three other members.
The Referees' Administrator, appointed annually at the first meeting of the County Committee Committee on the recommendation of the County Chairman, shall attend only for the purpose of appointment of referees and shall be entitled to vote on same”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
GENERAL MOTIONS
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
2 We propose that the Secretary ensure that those nominated for election to the county Executive or any of its Sub-Committees be paid up members of a County Offaly Club. (Tullamore)
3 We propose that fixture details both from the Senior Board and Coiste na nOg be forwarded, via the Internet, as one communication. (Tullamore)
4 We propose that the office in O’Connor Park be manned for at least four hours every day and that club Secretaries receive details of opening hours. (Tullamore)
5 We propose that the results of all games be published on the Internet, on a fixed day each week, together with league and Championship Tables. (Tullamore)
6 We propose that the position of Irish Officer be employed to actively support the Irish Language thereby assisting us to comply with the relevant section of Rule 4 (a) (Tullamore)
7 We propose that a Coach be appointed to promote the playing of Gaelic Games in the County’s Secondary Schools. (Tullamore)
8 Venue rent be increased from 15% to 20% and from 30% to 35% for finals. (Kilcormac/K.)
9 No admission charge on entry to games organised by Offaly Co. Board for persons under 16 years and a maximum charge of €3.00 for Minors and Students with valid I.D. (Kilcormac/K.)
10 That the Players Injury Scheme be amended as follows:
(a) Supplementary Hospital Benefit - €400 per day’s stay in hospital in excess of 10 consecutive days be reduced to 5 consecutive days
(b) Funding/Subscriptions – Adult team subscriptions shall include a maximum of six teams per Club or Unit. (Clara)
11 That Referee’s Reports be filled only as stated in the T.O. (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – 1.6 - Report of Referee) It is not the duty of the referee to quote Rule No’s in the T.O. (Clara)
Convention
Any thoughts on the forthcoming convention?
Elections for the following:
Chairman
Paudge Mulhare
Secretary
Jim Buckley
Central Council Rep
Brian Whelahan
Leinster Council Reps (2)
Eamon Flynn
Andy Gallagher
Irish Officer
Kevin Corrigan
Leinster Council Rep and Irish Officer
Motions:
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
I SUPPORT.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
I SUPPORT. They treat the extra time as a new game in some instances, not in others. Silly.
BYE-LAW MOTIONS
1 The following Bye-Law be introduced:
That no person be elected or appointed to any committee, selector, in any way pertaining to the G.A.A. if she/he is not a registered member of the Association. (Clara)
I SUPPORT
2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read:
“The County Games Administration Committee, shall be responsible for all arrangements, for control of, and any matters, including Discipline, arising from games under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. This Committee, which shall be appointed/elected annually, by the County Committee, at the first meeting of the County Committee each year, shall consist of the Vice-Chairperson and Secretary or Assistant Secretary of the County Committee, who shall be Chairperson and Secretary respectively, a representative of Coiste na nOg and three other members.
The Referees' Administrator, appointed annually at the first meeting of the County Committee Committee on the recommendation of the County Chairman, shall attend only for the purpose of appointment of referees and shall be entitled to vote on same”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
I SUPPORT
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Elections for the following:
Chairman
Paudge Mulhare
Secretary
Jim Buckley
Central Council Rep
Brian Whelahan
Leinster Council Reps (2)
Eamon Flynn
Andy Gallagher
Irish Officer
Kevin Corrigan
Leinster Council Rep and Irish Officer
Motions:
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
I SUPPORT.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
I SUPPORT. They treat the extra time as a new game in some instances, not in others. Silly.
BYE-LAW MOTIONS
1 The following Bye-Law be introduced:
That no person be elected or appointed to any committee, selector, in any way pertaining to the G.A.A. if she/he is not a registered member of the Association. (Clara)
I SUPPORT
2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read:
“The County Games Administration Committee, shall be responsible for all arrangements, for control of, and any matters, including Discipline, arising from games under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. This Committee, which shall be appointed/elected annually, by the County Committee, at the first meeting of the County Committee each year, shall consist of the Vice-Chairperson and Secretary or Assistant Secretary of the County Committee, who shall be Chairperson and Secretary respectively, a representative of Coiste na nOg and three other members.
The Referees' Administrator, appointed annually at the first meeting of the County Committee Committee on the recommendation of the County Chairman, shall attend only for the purpose of appointment of referees and shall be entitled to vote on same”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
I SUPPORT
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Convention
Right, as we've no amendments, they're all carried.....
Ahem
I object 
Have all of these motions been reviewed and sanctioned by the all-powerful Past-Presidents committee? Are they all in-order?
Thought not!
Then I propose a counter-proposal to the amendment of the Standing Orders, in accordance to Section 5 subsection C paragraph (iv) on page 15 of the Clár Oifigúil.
"That all proposals published on the Internet must be translated into Irish when viewed on Irish computers"
Failure to observe this is a disgrace and insulting to our forefathers who built this great association of ours.
This counter-proposal must be voted on first, and I demand a public show-of-hands. No secret ballot on fundamentals like this; Stand up and be counted like real men. The real women are in the kitchen making the tea)
Have all of these motions been reviewed and sanctioned by the all-powerful Past-Presidents committee? Are they all in-order?
Thought not!
Then I propose a counter-proposal to the amendment of the Standing Orders, in accordance to Section 5 subsection C paragraph (iv) on page 15 of the Clár Oifigúil.
"That all proposals published on the Internet must be translated into Irish when viewed on Irish computers"
Failure to observe this is a disgrace and insulting to our forefathers who built this great association of ours.
This counter-proposal must be voted on first, and I demand a public show-of-hands. No secret ballot on fundamentals like this; Stand up and be counted like real men. The real women are in the kitchen making the tea)
Convention
Making the tea indeed!!!
As if we'd have the time after washing the jersies and cleaning the boots!!!
As if we'd have the time after washing the jersies and cleaning the boots!!!
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Not that I'll end up at the county board meeting, but for what it's worth .....
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
Definitely in favour. Won't bother cutting and pasting the whole other thread for now though.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
Very much in favour. The current situation where a yellow gets carried but a red card is allowed a replacement is lunacy. Granted Mullingar 2003 didn't do a lot to encourage us in this regard.
BYE-LAW MOTIONS
1 The following Bye-Law be introduced:
That no person be elected or appointed to any committee, selector, in any way pertaining to the G.A.A. if she/he is not a registered member of the Association. (Clara)
I can't imagine that there are too many who aren't members. I'm not sure as to the circumstances in which that situation could occur, so without knowing I couldn't say one way or another.
2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read:
“The County Games Administration Committee, shall be responsible for all arrangements, for control of, and any matters, including Discipline, arising from games under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. This Committee, which shall be appointed/elected annually, by the County Committee, at the first meeting of the County Committee each year, shall consist of the Vice-Chairperson and Secretary or Assistant Secretary of the County Committee, who shall be Chairperson and Secretary respectively, a representative of Coiste na nOg and three other members.
The Referees' Administrator, appointed annually at the first meeting of the County Committee Committee on the recommendation of the County Chairman, shall attend only for the purpose of appointment of referees and shall be entitled to vote on same”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
Offhand this looks like adding an extra layer of meetings and appeals. Doesn't strike me as a great idea, on paper at least.
GENERAL MOTIONS
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Seeing as Tullamore is geographically central enough to the whole county, I'm not sure I see the point in this. I can imagine how the Board Treasurer will be voting though.... (would the Edenderry/Ballyfore etc. people not be looking for meetings down their end as well though?)
2 We propose that the Secretary ensure that those nominated for election to the county Executive or any of its Sub-Committees be paid up members of a County Offaly Club. (Tullamore)
Again this would seem to be a rule for a rule's sake. I can only imagine that contravening this would be for the purposes of bringing in some outside specialist for a particular reason. On the face of it, I can't see any reason for this motion. If someone gets elected, that should be enough.
3 We propose that fixture details both from the Senior Board and Coiste na nOg be forwarded, via the Internet, as one communication. (Tullamore)
Eminently sensible
4 We propose that the office in O’Connor Park be manned for at least four hours every day and that club Secretaries receive details of opening hours. (Tullamore)
Not sure how expensive this would be. It would probably be good for clubs to have though.
5 We propose that the results of all games be published on the Internet, on a fixed day each week, together with league and Championship Tables. (Tullamore)
Seeing as someone's now in the office for four hours each day, this seems like a good idea. As a supporter it seems all good
6 We propose that the position of Irish Officer be employed to actively support the Irish Language thereby assisting us to comply with the relevant section of Rule 4 (a) (Tullamore)
Hard to disagree. Very poor Gaeilge myself, so not really in a position to comment on how relevant that is.
7 We propose that a Coach be appointed to promote the playing of Gaelic Games in the County’s Secondary Schools. (Tullamore)
Definitely
8 Venue rent be increased from 15% to 20% and from 30% to 35% for finals. (Kilcormac/K.)
Could lead to politics in deciding which pitches get used more often if there's too much benefit. On those grounds would probably oppose, but then again I'm not sure if rent's cover the actual costs involved.
9 No admission charge on entry to games organised by Offaly Co. Board for persons under 16 years and a maximum charge of €3.00 for Minors and Students with valid I.D. (Kilcormac/K.)
Definitely would support this
10 That the Players Injury Scheme be amended as follows:
(a) Supplementary Hospital Benefit - €400 per day’s stay in hospital in excess of 10 consecutive days be reduced to 5 consecutive days
(b) Funding/Subscriptions – Adult team subscriptions shall include a maximum of six teams per Club or Unit. (Clara)
Would support
11 That Referee’s Reports be filled only as stated in the T.O. (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – 1.6 - Report of Referee) It is not the duty of the referee to quote Rule No’s in the T.O. (Clara)
Again seems to make sense.
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
Definitely in favour. Won't bother cutting and pasting the whole other thread for now though.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
Very much in favour. The current situation where a yellow gets carried but a red card is allowed a replacement is lunacy. Granted Mullingar 2003 didn't do a lot to encourage us in this regard.
BYE-LAW MOTIONS
1 The following Bye-Law be introduced:
That no person be elected or appointed to any committee, selector, in any way pertaining to the G.A.A. if she/he is not a registered member of the Association. (Clara)
I can't imagine that there are too many who aren't members. I'm not sure as to the circumstances in which that situation could occur, so without knowing I couldn't say one way or another.
2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read:
“The County Games Administration Committee, shall be responsible for all arrangements, for control of, and any matters, including Discipline, arising from games under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. This Committee, which shall be appointed/elected annually, by the County Committee, at the first meeting of the County Committee each year, shall consist of the Vice-Chairperson and Secretary or Assistant Secretary of the County Committee, who shall be Chairperson and Secretary respectively, a representative of Coiste na nOg and three other members.
The Referees' Administrator, appointed annually at the first meeting of the County Committee Committee on the recommendation of the County Chairman, shall attend only for the purpose of appointment of referees and shall be entitled to vote on same”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
Offhand this looks like adding an extra layer of meetings and appeals. Doesn't strike me as a great idea, on paper at least.
GENERAL MOTIONS
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Seeing as Tullamore is geographically central enough to the whole county, I'm not sure I see the point in this. I can imagine how the Board Treasurer will be voting though.... (would the Edenderry/Ballyfore etc. people not be looking for meetings down their end as well though?)
2 We propose that the Secretary ensure that those nominated for election to the county Executive or any of its Sub-Committees be paid up members of a County Offaly Club. (Tullamore)
Again this would seem to be a rule for a rule's sake. I can only imagine that contravening this would be for the purposes of bringing in some outside specialist for a particular reason. On the face of it, I can't see any reason for this motion. If someone gets elected, that should be enough.
3 We propose that fixture details both from the Senior Board and Coiste na nOg be forwarded, via the Internet, as one communication. (Tullamore)
Eminently sensible
4 We propose that the office in O’Connor Park be manned for at least four hours every day and that club Secretaries receive details of opening hours. (Tullamore)
Not sure how expensive this would be. It would probably be good for clubs to have though.
5 We propose that the results of all games be published on the Internet, on a fixed day each week, together with league and Championship Tables. (Tullamore)
Seeing as someone's now in the office for four hours each day, this seems like a good idea. As a supporter it seems all good
6 We propose that the position of Irish Officer be employed to actively support the Irish Language thereby assisting us to comply with the relevant section of Rule 4 (a) (Tullamore)
Hard to disagree. Very poor Gaeilge myself, so not really in a position to comment on how relevant that is.
7 We propose that a Coach be appointed to promote the playing of Gaelic Games in the County’s Secondary Schools. (Tullamore)
Definitely
8 Venue rent be increased from 15% to 20% and from 30% to 35% for finals. (Kilcormac/K.)
Could lead to politics in deciding which pitches get used more often if there's too much benefit. On those grounds would probably oppose, but then again I'm not sure if rent's cover the actual costs involved.
9 No admission charge on entry to games organised by Offaly Co. Board for persons under 16 years and a maximum charge of €3.00 for Minors and Students with valid I.D. (Kilcormac/K.)
Definitely would support this
10 That the Players Injury Scheme be amended as follows:
(a) Supplementary Hospital Benefit - €400 per day’s stay in hospital in excess of 10 consecutive days be reduced to 5 consecutive days
(b) Funding/Subscriptions – Adult team subscriptions shall include a maximum of six teams per Club or Unit. (Clara)
Would support
11 That Referee’s Reports be filled only as stated in the T.O. (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – 1.6 - Report of Referee) It is not the duty of the referee to quote Rule No’s in the T.O. (Clara)
Again seems to make sense.
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2 That Bye-Law No. 3 (2004) be amended to read: ……………. (NOTE: If passed, the following sentence would be deleted from the current Bye-Law – “The Games Administration Committee shall have plenary powers conferred on it by the County Committee”.) (Clara)
Offhand this looks like adding an extra layer of meetings and appeals. Doesn't strike me as a great idea, on paper at least.
At last year’s convention, the “plenary powers” sentence was added. From what I understood, it was put forward as being necessary to avoid appeals having to go before a full county board meeting etc. But difficulty arose almost immediately as fixtures come under the GAC umbrella and therefore fixtures were written in stone. Difficulty arose over last years O’Connor Cup when the fixtures committee awarded the game to KK, even though both themselves and Kinnitty wanted a re-fixture. From the comments at the meeting, it seemed that a large majority of delegates were in favour of re-fixing the game, but nothing could be done because the fixtures committee had plenary powers. It was a crazy situation, right at the end of the year when a re-fixture wouldn’t have caused any upset to any other games. I think that night people decided the plenary powers would have to go!
Later on in the year, you may recall games were fixed for the weekend before the Clare game, but after a debate at the county board meeting, fixtures agreed to call off the games (forced to do so when the players threatened not to line out against Clare!). However, had they chosen to be bull-headed enough about it, they could have insisted the games went ahead.
So there you go, that’s why they want rid of the “plenary powers”. Might still stay though on the basis it went in there in the first place.
GENERAL MOTIONS
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Seeing as Tullamore is geographically central enough to the whole county, I'm not sure I see the point in this. I can imagine how the Board Treasurer will be voting though.... (would the Edenderry/Ballyfore etc. people not be looking for meetings down their end as well though?)
72 mile round trip from here, but yeah Tullamore is probably the fairest option (and my grandfather used to cycle to meetings, so I guess I shouldn’t be complaining!) However, wouldn’t see any harm in having one or two meetings in the year move Southward, who knows we might even end up devoting as much time to hurling as football at the meeting!!
4 We propose that the office in O’Connor Park be manned for at least four hours every day and that club Secretaries receive details of opening hours. (Tullamore)
Not sure how expensive this would be. It would probably be good for clubs to have though.
As far as I know, it’s open for a few hours most days anyway, just not set times etc.
5 We propose that the results of all games be published on the Internet, on a fixed day each week, together with league and Championship Tables. (Tullamore)
Seeing as someone's now in the office for four hours each day, this seems like a good idea. As a supporter it seems all good
Yep, could do with a bit of work on the website too – or are we just going to keep adding weeks upon weeks of fixtures to the first page!!
Offhand this looks like adding an extra layer of meetings and appeals. Doesn't strike me as a great idea, on paper at least.
At last year’s convention, the “plenary powers” sentence was added. From what I understood, it was put forward as being necessary to avoid appeals having to go before a full county board meeting etc. But difficulty arose almost immediately as fixtures come under the GAC umbrella and therefore fixtures were written in stone. Difficulty arose over last years O’Connor Cup when the fixtures committee awarded the game to KK, even though both themselves and Kinnitty wanted a re-fixture. From the comments at the meeting, it seemed that a large majority of delegates were in favour of re-fixing the game, but nothing could be done because the fixtures committee had plenary powers. It was a crazy situation, right at the end of the year when a re-fixture wouldn’t have caused any upset to any other games. I think that night people decided the plenary powers would have to go!
Later on in the year, you may recall games were fixed for the weekend before the Clare game, but after a debate at the county board meeting, fixtures agreed to call off the games (forced to do so when the players threatened not to line out against Clare!). However, had they chosen to be bull-headed enough about it, they could have insisted the games went ahead.
So there you go, that’s why they want rid of the “plenary powers”. Might still stay though on the basis it went in there in the first place.
GENERAL MOTIONS
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Seeing as Tullamore is geographically central enough to the whole county, I'm not sure I see the point in this. I can imagine how the Board Treasurer will be voting though.... (would the Edenderry/Ballyfore etc. people not be looking for meetings down their end as well though?)
72 mile round trip from here, but yeah Tullamore is probably the fairest option (and my grandfather used to cycle to meetings, so I guess I shouldn’t be complaining!) However, wouldn’t see any harm in having one or two meetings in the year move Southward, who knows we might even end up devoting as much time to hurling as football at the meeting!!
4 We propose that the office in O’Connor Park be manned for at least four hours every day and that club Secretaries receive details of opening hours. (Tullamore)
Not sure how expensive this would be. It would probably be good for clubs to have though.
As far as I know, it’s open for a few hours most days anyway, just not set times etc.
5 We propose that the results of all games be published on the Internet, on a fixed day each week, together with league and Championship Tables. (Tullamore)
Seeing as someone's now in the office for four hours each day, this seems like a good idea. As a supporter it seems all good
Yep, could do with a bit of work on the website too – or are we just going to keep adding weeks upon weeks of fixtures to the first page!!
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Re: Convention
On a general point of these types of motions, I can see why the GAA Past Presidents would have had a field-day with stuff like this in previous years.
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
Although I'm in favour of such a change, if I was Chairman I'd have to throw out this motion. It's no use saying in a vague way that you want to change a rule. In a formal AGM-type situation, you must provide an exact wording to be considered and voted on.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
Now that's how a rule-amendment motion should be proposed. State exactly what the new rule should be; in this case even clarifying the text that is to be removed. Obviously the officials in Clara are better versed in AGM protocol than the current Tullamore incumbents.
... the "plenary powers" motion ....
A perfect example of why such Rules and Standing Orders must avoid trying to be a catch-all. Treasurer clarified that this was added last year in the hope of saving extra meetings. Look at the result; a clash of responsibilities. If you want to try to cover the unforeseen, bestow powers on a named committee (or more likely the main officers) whose ultimate decision is final on all matters within the county. If you trust your officers enough to elect them in the first place, you have to trust them to use their discretion. If they misuse or abuse that trust, sack them.
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Feck'em. Sure isn't that part of Offaly now covered by the Shannon Region, so they're probably getting extra grants over the Northern areas. Parlon-country how are ye!
3 We propose that fixture details both from the Senior Board and Coiste na nOg be forwarded, via the Internet, as one communication. (Tullamore)
What's an Internet? Must be something kept down in South Offaly. Feckers!
Incidentally, I object that there is no proper Maroon colour provided in the "Font colour" list. This Dark Red is only a sub, and it's Daingean Maroon I want; not the Eastlongford or Southmayo versions.
CONGRESS MOTIONS
1. We propose that Rule 42 (b) T.O. (1) 2003 be amended to permit the playing of field games in Croke Park, other than those games controlled by the Association. Permission to play these games to be at the discretion of Central Council. (Tullamore)
Although I'm in favour of such a change, if I was Chairman I'd have to throw out this motion. It's no use saying in a vague way that you want to change a rule. In a formal AGM-type situation, you must provide an exact wording to be considered and voted on.
2. Amend Rule 1.2 , (vii), (a) T.O (2) 2003 (Rules of Control – Rule 1 – Control of Games Match Officials – Duties of the Referee) to read:
“To caution a player who commits a cautionable foul/offence, by taking his name and showing him a yellow card”.
(NOTE: If passed, the following portion of the present Rule would be deleted – “which caution, unless (b) or (c) below shall carry over into extra-time, where played”.) (Clara)
Now that's how a rule-amendment motion should be proposed. State exactly what the new rule should be; in this case even clarifying the text that is to be removed. Obviously the officials in Clara are better versed in AGM protocol than the current Tullamore incumbents.
... the "plenary powers" motion ....
A perfect example of why such Rules and Standing Orders must avoid trying to be a catch-all. Treasurer clarified that this was added last year in the hope of saving extra meetings. Look at the result; a clash of responsibilities. If you want to try to cover the unforeseen, bestow powers on a named committee (or more likely the main officers) whose ultimate decision is final on all matters within the county. If you trust your officers enough to elect them in the first place, you have to trust them to use their discretion. If they misuse or abuse that trust, sack them.
1 That some Co. Board meetings are held in South Offaly venues. (Birr)
Feck'em. Sure isn't that part of Offaly now covered by the Shannon Region, so they're probably getting extra grants over the Northern areas. Parlon-country how are ye!
3 We propose that fixture details both from the Senior Board and Coiste na nOg be forwarded, via the Internet, as one communication. (Tullamore)
What's an Internet? Must be something kept down in South Offaly. Feckers!
Incidentally, I object that there is no proper Maroon colour provided in the "Font colour" list. This Dark Red is only a sub, and it's Daingean Maroon I want; not the Eastlongford or Southmayo versions.
Convention
Tonight in the Tullamore Court.
Well let me just throw in my tuppence worth on the rule 42 motion again. Have to agree with biff - this motion should be thrown out as no alternative wording has been suggested. In my opinion this indicates exactly what im saying all along - people are just looking for excuses to amend it instead of being motivated by actual real legitimate reasons that are beneficial to the gaa - no ones even given this motion any real thought, its just a half hearted attempt to jump on sean kelly's bandwagon - throw the motion out and get on with the real business at hand, like the rest of the motions outlined. we all know its the day to day workings that keep the gaa alive not worrying about what our irfu/fai counterparts think of us (either nationally or internationally). Am i the only person who thinks its a disgrace that this issue is cloggin up county boards time all over the country, we've all voted on it before, why does it keep coming up until we've accepted it? its worse than the flippin Nice referendum. #Why on earth are we all so eager to sell out to these people, do we have that much of an inferiority complex that we have to go out of our way to lick up to them...seriosly the gaa is the last bastion of national pride in all that is Irish culture, games, heritage, language, theyre about the only ones who dont look down on anything Irish or traditional as being backward and rightly so. why start acting now like our aims/rules are anything to be embarrassed by, theyre whats made us such a successful organisation in the first place.
Am in agreement with all other motions except i would suggest separate football and hurling coaches for the schools.
PS Treasurer, i trust we can rely on you for a full summary and debriefing of events tomorrow
Am in agreement with all other motions except i would suggest separate football and hurling coaches for the schools.
PS Treasurer, i trust we can rely on you for a full summary and debriefing of events tomorrow
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Well let me just throw in my tuppence worth on the rule 42 motion again. Have to agree with biff - this motion should be thrown out as no alternative wording has been suggested. In my opinion this indicates exactly what im saying all along - people are just looking for excuses to amend it instead of being motivated by actual real legitimate reasons that are beneficial to the gaa - no ones even given this motion any real though, its just a half hearted attempt to jump on sean kelly's bandwagon - throw the motion out and get on with the real business at hand, like the rest of the motions outlined. we all know its the day to day workings that keep the gaa alive not worrying about what our irfu/fai counterparts think of us (either nationally or internationally). Am i the only person who thinks its a disgrace that this issue is cloggin up county boards time all over the country, we've all voted on it before, why does it keep coming up until we've accepted it? its worse than the flippin Nice referendum. #Why on earth are we all so eager to sell out to these people, do we have that much of an inferiority complex that we have to go out of our way to lick up to them...seriosly the gaa is the last bastion of national pride in all that is Irish culture, games, heritage, language, theyre about the only ones who dont look down on anything Irish or traditional as being backward and rightly so. why start acting now like our aims/rules are anything to be embarrassed by, theyre whats made us such a successful organisation in the first place.
Am in agreement with all other motions except i would suggest separate football and hurling coaches for the schools.
PS Treasurer, i trust we can rely on you for a full summary and debriefing of events tomorrow
Am in agreement with all other motions except i would suggest separate football and hurling coaches for the schools.
PS Treasurer, i trust we can rely on you for a full summary and debriefing of events tomorrow